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Message: <blockquote data-quote="frankthedm" data-source="post: 5223669" data-attributes="member: 1164">An encounter level 14 fight IIRC [edit] in a terrain set up also designed to favor the enemies.Provided no one has <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/freedomOfMovement.htm" target="_blank">Freedom of Movement :: d20srd.org</a> up or Freedom rings were not available in the campaign. Also the exact text of the ability will be important since the daze might only affect the target if it makes the save [RAW can be silly sometimes].Edit: Some monsters get far worse in groups and the Encounter level / CR system does not always account for this. Improved grabbers are a good example of this type of critter.</blockquote>