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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 1554908" data-attributes="member: 158">This is one of the stickier points I was hoping to avoid by the removal of the old/new covenant part of the equation. If there was no split, or if the &quot;fall&quot; happened in a different way, then that could be avoided.But look at it this way: All you really need is an event that splits the One church from the &quot;good&quot; church, right? How about a harbinger comes, no need for him to be royalty, just a messenger who says, &quot;the rules have changed.&quot; But put in in an atmosphere of slight uncertainty; maybe he was believed to be an adversary, or maybe this harbinger performed the miracles as was foretold, but NOT THE miracles that were foretold. Then you have the &quot;good&quot; church saying, &quot;No, he isn't&quot;, you have the One Church saying, &quot;yes, he is,&quot; and voila! Friendly split between the religions. Then you can have extremists coming in to say the teachings are harmful, and introduce the occasional persecutor that way.For a REAL role reversal, have the One Church being the one denying the harbinger, and the &quot;good&quot; church among the ones breaking off. SO you have &quot;in the beginning was the One Church, keeper of the One's word&quot; and then the churches of Law, Chaos, Good, and Evil break off, because the One's harbinger said, &quot;the rules have changed - there must be struggle in order for my will to be completed, and the perfection of all things to come&quot;; then, BANG you have the old church being the one trying to hold things together, and the G/E/C/L churches trying to &quot;progress&quot; and finish the message. You change the paradigm from Jewish Faith / Pre-Catholic Church to Catholic Church / Protestants.Just some thoughts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Henry, post: 1554908, member: 158"] This is one of the stickier points I was hoping to avoid by the removal of the old/new covenant part of the equation. If there was no split, or if the "fall" happened in a different way, then that could be avoided. But look at it this way: All you really need is an event that splits the One church from the "good" church, right? How about a harbinger comes, no need for him to be royalty, just a messenger who says, "the rules have changed." But put in in an atmosphere of slight uncertainty; maybe he was believed to be an adversary, or maybe this harbinger performed the miracles as was foretold, but NOT THE miracles that were foretold. Then you have the "good" church saying, "No, he isn't", you have the One Church saying, "yes, he is," and voila! Friendly split between the religions. Then you can have extremists coming in to say the teachings are harmful, and introduce the occasional persecutor that way. For a REAL role reversal, have the One Church being the one denying the harbinger, and the "good" church among the ones breaking off. SO you have "in the beginning was the One Church, keeper of the One's word" and then the churches of Law, Chaos, Good, and Evil break off, because the One's harbinger said, "the rules have changed - there must be struggle in order for my will to be completed, and the perfection of all things to come"; then, BANG you have the old church being the one trying to hold things together, and the G/E/C/L churches trying to "progress" and finish the message. You change the paradigm from Jewish Faith / Pre-Catholic Church to Catholic Church / Protestants. Just some thoughts. [/QUOTE]

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