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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 2753361" data-attributes="member: 3146">Of course humility will sound lame if you purposefully make a lame caricature of it. (Though, that said, "All the glory goes to my god; it is he who empowered me to enact your deliverance" wouldn't be a bad answer).When people discuss humility as a virtue, they aren't referring to a dishonestly low assessment of their own abilities (pretty women calling themselves ugly or smart men telling everyone how dumb they are) just as, when people talk about pride as a vice, they're not talking about accepting awards or compliments or believing that you can succeed at ordinary tasks (though believing you can succeed where you actually can't often IS pride). Exactly what people do mean is a bit hard to express concisely, but it has several main ingredients: 1. A willingness to endure humiliation and to give up glory when needed (when needed is the important part). In the knightly context, Sir Gareth (the kitchen knight) is an example of this where he puts up with the whiny, snobby maiden he is tasked with escorting. To use an example from OotS, a humble paladin does not need to sleep in a muddy ditch every night, but neither is the paladin too good to sleep in a muddy ditch if the situation requires it.2. A willingness to forgo the honor and accolades due to one's station. (In this sense, as in the previous sense, the humility required of a paladin directly conflicts with the pride required of a UA cavalier: the cavalier would not be humiliated by wearing the armor of a thief--even to infiltrate a thieve's guild; a paladin who valued humility, on the other hand, would be willing to do so).3. A willingness to obey and an ability to take commands. A humble person is not above taking orders from someone with the authority to give them. This is one of the most important aspects of humility in the human relationship with the divine. A humble character does not think he knows better than his god.4. Acknowledging one's place and giving others the accolades and praise that they deserve. A humble knight will kneel before the king. (Though he may refuse to kowtow to an emperor if he believes that absolute submission is only appropriate to God). A humble knight will congratulate a rival on his victory and will compliment skill without worrying that he is calling attention to his own weaknesses.</blockquote>

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