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<blockquote data-quote="harpy" data-source="post: 5674416" data-attributes="member: 85243">I've been enjoying for many years the Challenging Challenge Ratings documents.&nbsp; It's been a useful tool to tinker with the system and make more coherent house rules.I've been going through older posts, but I haven't found a discussion on the spell casting values.On page nineteen of the v5 pdf it breaks down the spell casting values for the various classes, wizards are .44 per level, clerics are .38 per level, etc.When you multiply that out to 20 levels, a wizard is getting 8.8 for all of its spellcasting.What I'm stumped by is deconstructing this value.&nbsp; Where is the 8.8 coming from?If I go over to page eight and play around with the formulas for spell-like abilities I can't seem to reach the 8.8 for the wizard.&nbsp; I've set up a spread sheet, plugged in all the numbers, including the spells-per-day data from the SRD, but I can't seem to nail down that 8.8.&nbsp; I assume the 8.8 is an average value over 20 levels, and not the true value at level 20.I know there are lots of things to consider, such as the volume of spells different classes get, along with their diversity and potency, so perhaps other factors are being inserted in along with the spell-like-abilities formula, but I'm stumped as to how to sort it out.I know this kind of necro's some very old discussions, but if anyone has any insight on how the integrated spellcasting was assessed I'd love to hear it.&lt;input id=&quot;gwProxy&quot; type=&quot;hidden&quot;&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick=&quot;jsCall();&quot; id=&quot;jsProxy&quot; type=&quot;hidden&quot;&gt;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="harpy, post: 5674416, member: 85243"] I've been enjoying for many years the Challenging Challenge Ratings documents. It's been a useful tool to tinker with the system and make more coherent house rules. I've been going through older posts, but I haven't found a discussion on the spell casting values. On page nineteen of the v5 pdf it breaks down the spell casting values for the various classes, wizards are .44 per level, clerics are .38 per level, etc. When you multiply that out to 20 levels, a wizard is getting 8.8 for all of its spellcasting. What I'm stumped by is deconstructing this value. Where is the 8.8 coming from? If I go over to page eight and play around with the formulas for spell-like abilities I can't seem to reach the 8.8 for the wizard. I've set up a spread sheet, plugged in all the numbers, including the spells-per-day data from the SRD, but I can't seem to nail down that 8.8. I assume the 8.8 is an average value over 20 levels, and not the true value at level 20. I know there are lots of things to consider, such as the volume of spells different classes get, along with their diversity and potency, so perhaps other factors are being inserted in along with the spell-like-abilities formula, but I'm stumped as to how to sort it out. I know this kind of necro's some very old discussions, but if anyone has any insight on how the integrated spellcasting was assessed I'd love to hear it. <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"> [/QUOTE]

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