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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mr Fidgit" data-source="post: 455386" data-attributes="member: 6968">just to compare...the half-dragon templateHD +1 die type (max d12)Speed: no change unless base creature is size Large or largerAC +4 (natural)Damage: half-dragons get claw and bite attacks, damage based on sizeSpecial Attacks: breath weapon, only once a daySpecial Qualities: low-light and darkvision, immune to sleep and paralysis, plus one immunity based on dragon typeAbilities: +8 Str, +2 Con, +2 Int, +2 Chathe half-celestial templateHD no changeSpeed: 75% chance of wings (no size requirement)AC +1 (natural)Damage: no natural weaponsSpecial Attacks: list of spell-like abilities, based on levelSpecial Qualities: low-light vision; immune to acid, cold, disease, electricity; +4 Fort save vs poisonAbilities: +4 Str, +2 Dex, +4 Con, +2 Int, +4 Wis, +4 Chanow the Dragon Disciple PrCHD increases die type over the levels of the Prcrace: any non-dragon or non-half-dragonskills: knowledge (arcana) 8 rankslanguage: draconicspells: cast arcane spells without preparationBAB as clericsaves: Fort and Will goodover the levels: armor increases slowly (+1 at lvls 1, 4, 7 and 10)natural attacks at level 2stat increases (+2 each) at levels 2, 4, 7, 9 (possible) size increase at level 5breath weapon: gain at level 3, increases incrimentally at levels 8 and 10wings at level 9Dragon Apotheosis at level 10 (full benefit from half-dragon template)possible Celestial Disciple...HD 1d8 (not a bad thing, usually reserved for fighter-type or cleric PrCs)race: any non-celestial or non-planetouchedskills: knowledge (the planes) 8 ranks (??? - this would give any class with knowledge (the planes) (bards and wizards) access to the class way earlier than anyone else - maybe any skill prereq should be removed)language: celestial (not a tough requirement...)spells: i don't think you originally intended for this to be a PrC for spellcasters...so, noneBAB as cleric or fighter (this would depend on the 'relative power' of the class - if it was easily accessable by anyone at mid-levels, i'd go with cleric)saves: note that the DD PrC has two good saves -- both dragons and outsiders have all good saves. if the celestial disciple has all good saves, i would definitely make the BAB as a cleric. if it was only one or two good saves, i think the fighter BAB would workover the levels, you could spead out the half-celestial benefits...you could make disease immunity, lowlight vision a 1st level benefitand maybe +2 vs poison at first, the other +2 at a later level (6 or 7)2nd, maybe the +1 armor, the half-celestial has a total of 20 points of stat increases, so you could spead them out in +2s (as the DD PrC) at odd levels for a total of +10 to stats by level 10immunities could also be spread out over the 10 levels, 5 points of resistance at 3, 6 and 9 (with full immunities at 10)Celestial Apotheosis at level 10 (of course, giving the full template benefits)you could include the buyable powers open to every level (scaled with the benefits, as in your PrC) and the issue of wings buyable as well -- however, anyone taking this PrC could choose not to buy the spell-like abilities knowing they'll have access to all of them when they reach level 10 and full Half-Celestial status(so the minor powers could be gained per PrC level as well)any prerequisites should make the class unattainable until (at least) 6th level, like the DD PrCa huge factor for the DD is that its built for bards and sorcerers who have to give up gaining spell levels for all 10 levels of the PrC (they only gain 7 new known spells)a PC should have a reason not to take a PrC, so they need to give up something. if this PrC was built for spellcasters, you could take away increasing spell levels (as the DD PrC), but that's tough to include for any other class...i've rambled on enough for now....(must...reboot.....brain....)</blockquote>

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