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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DrSpunj" data-source="post: 1364178" data-attributes="member: 994">I think this statement (also appearing on MM pg. 291 under the Size and Type heading) is pretty explicit: such a creature loses the Vermin Traits and picks up the Magical Beast Traits.Now, I didn't realize it this afternoon as I glanced at this thread, but this very question came up for me tonight trying to prep a couple SM III options for a not-so-BBEG for my game tomorrow night. In statting out a Fiendish Huge Monstrous Centipede I ran into the same conundrum as Flyspeck23. Because of the quote from FireLance above I removed the Vermin Traits and gave it an Intelligence score of 3. After taking a mental step back and looking things over, since it now has an Intelligence score I figured it should get Feats now, right? So it's 6 HD allowed me to choose 3 feats for the beastie.I don't know if that makes a difference to you, Flyspeck23, but I figure that's a fair trade (Vermin/mindless vs 3 Feats) and now don't feel like I'm weakening the creature any by adding the template. YMMV.Thanks.DrSpunj</blockquote>