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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 2300628" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>The tail slap is no different than a slam attack with the fist. Plenty of critters get a slam attack. If the critter's tail is strong enough to support its body weight hanging from a branch, it's strong enough to thwack a guy just as well as a fist, if not better. How many average guys can do pull-ups on a bar with just one hand? Not a lot of average guys, to be sure. Buff guys sure, but us average joes? Heck no. If a fella can lift his own body weight by one limb, he can damn well slap you with that limb hard enough to hurt like a punch. Saying that only stuff like dragons get a tail slap is silly. Small monstrous scorpions can still sting for a bit of damage can't they? Their tails aren't phenomenally stronger than a Cerilan's are they? If their stingers were blunted, they'd still deal damage from the force of impact. A choker is a small humanoid aberration with long limbs, and it can hold itself reasonably well with just one or two of them, and still gets natural attacks with those limbs.</p><p></p><p>3.x, or at least 3.5, has no rules for facing in general. Combatants are already assumed to be turning around during combat and watching out for foes behind them. No reason to say that a humanoid with a 3-4 foot long tail can't turn around and thwack a guy with it, when a humanoid monk could just as easily spin-kick the guy behind him. If they can reach far enough to punch someone with their 2-3 foot long arm, they can just as well smack someone with their 3-4 foot long prehensile tail that's strong enough to help them in climbing and swinging around in the trees. I find it odd how easily people disregard and ignore things as "silly" when they refuse to even so much as give such matters a moment's serious thought. Yet everyone seems to dismiss things so easily and readily.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 2300628, member: 13966"] The tail slap is no different than a slam attack with the fist. Plenty of critters get a slam attack. If the critter's tail is strong enough to support its body weight hanging from a branch, it's strong enough to thwack a guy just as well as a fist, if not better. How many average guys can do pull-ups on a bar with just one hand? Not a lot of average guys, to be sure. Buff guys sure, but us average joes? Heck no. If a fella can lift his own body weight by one limb, he can damn well slap you with that limb hard enough to hurt like a punch. Saying that only stuff like dragons get a tail slap is silly. Small monstrous scorpions can still sting for a bit of damage can't they? Their tails aren't phenomenally stronger than a Cerilan's are they? If their stingers were blunted, they'd still deal damage from the force of impact. A choker is a small humanoid aberration with long limbs, and it can hold itself reasonably well with just one or two of them, and still gets natural attacks with those limbs. 3.x, or at least 3.5, has no rules for facing in general. Combatants are already assumed to be turning around during combat and watching out for foes behind them. No reason to say that a humanoid with a 3-4 foot long tail can't turn around and thwack a guy with it, when a humanoid monk could just as easily spin-kick the guy behind him. If they can reach far enough to punch someone with their 2-3 foot long arm, they can just as well smack someone with their 3-4 foot long prehensile tail that's strong enough to help them in climbing and swinging around in the trees. I find it odd how easily people disregard and ignore things as "silly" when they refuse to even so much as give such matters a moment's serious thought. Yet everyone seems to dismiss things so easily and readily. [/QUOTE]
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