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<blockquote data-quote="Storyteller01" data-source="post: 2301068" data-attributes="member: 20931"><p>Having a tail that can support your weight while hanging is not the same as a tail that can lift your weight. Check out aborial monkeys. None that I've seen that can hang by their tail actually lift with it. They swing up to a point, catch a limb, and lift with arms and legs. The tail acts as a pivot point or a rope to climb on.</p><p></p><p>Also. watch a scorpion when it stings. It doesn't use just its tail. The entire rear end of the critter moves, adding momentum to the sting. IT's kind of like a human punching; body movement counts. If I blunted a hypodermic needle and stabbed someone, I'd get the same effect (proportionaly) that you described with the Monstous scorpion's blunt sting. It's the same as a punch. </p><p></p><p>ANother example: why is it safe to holds a scorpion by the tail? If it were that strong, why doesn't it lift itself up and claw you? Granted, some do, but this is usually do to human stupidity.</p><p></p><p>If the pictures of chokers I've seen are accurate, a chokers limb has a significantly greater musculature than creatures with prehensile tails (I'm looking at monkeys, opossums, etc).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Tail slaps would probably be better suited to animals who use their tails for strength purposes, such as swimming or defense. Alligators, dragons, dinosaurs, etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Given the mass of muscle and bone, a Cerilan (or monkeys) tail weight less than a whip. How much damage can a whip do? Keep in mind, even a whip snap transmits full body movement (and a human weighs a heck of a lot more than the critter in question).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do question the tail bluff bonus. I'd just make that a feat that all tailed PC's could use (I don't see why it would be available only to this singular race).</p><p></p><p>Halflings, as a balance, gain a bonus to all saves do to luck. You could given the same bonus to your new race, stipulating that living in the wild tends to heighten a critters instincts 0and survival traits (resistance to natural poisons, heightened reflexes, flight responses that override mental tampering, etc).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Storyteller01, post: 2301068, member: 20931"] Having a tail that can support your weight while hanging is not the same as a tail that can lift your weight. Check out aborial monkeys. None that I've seen that can hang by their tail actually lift with it. They swing up to a point, catch a limb, and lift with arms and legs. The tail acts as a pivot point or a rope to climb on. Also. watch a scorpion when it stings. It doesn't use just its tail. The entire rear end of the critter moves, adding momentum to the sting. IT's kind of like a human punching; body movement counts. If I blunted a hypodermic needle and stabbed someone, I'd get the same effect (proportionaly) that you described with the Monstous scorpion's blunt sting. It's the same as a punch. ANother example: why is it safe to holds a scorpion by the tail? If it were that strong, why doesn't it lift itself up and claw you? Granted, some do, but this is usually do to human stupidity. If the pictures of chokers I've seen are accurate, a chokers limb has a significantly greater musculature than creatures with prehensile tails (I'm looking at monkeys, opossums, etc). Tail slaps would probably be better suited to animals who use their tails for strength purposes, such as swimming or defense. Alligators, dragons, dinosaurs, etc. Given the mass of muscle and bone, a Cerilan (or monkeys) tail weight less than a whip. How much damage can a whip do? Keep in mind, even a whip snap transmits full body movement (and a human weighs a heck of a lot more than the critter in question). I do question the tail bluff bonus. I'd just make that a feat that all tailed PC's could use (I don't see why it would be available only to this singular race). Halflings, as a balance, gain a bonus to all saves do to luck. You could given the same bonus to your new race, stipulating that living in the wild tends to heighten a critters instincts 0and survival traits (resistance to natural poisons, heightened reflexes, flight responses that override mental tampering, etc). [/QUOTE]
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