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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Phlebas" data-source="post: 3957366" data-attributes="member: 23810">Darrien Disaster ?If you want to take the victorian romanticised view of scottish tartans and pipes in the mist as celtic, then its as good a starting point as any and since we're looking at a RP alternative future (eg no act of union, or alternatively no 'Hammer of the scots') its all a case of taking a baseline and extrapolating it however you see fit. And although basic tribal doesn't normally survive into the industrial age, look at some eastern civilisations where clan & caste is important to the current day and they can't really be regarded as backwatersPersonally i'd go back to a Boudiccan victory restricting the romans to a few southern trading enclaves (cf the Roman disastrous invasion of Germany and the subsequent retreat to the old borders) and then alternative future it from there (possibly including saxon / viking / danish invasions & mini-kingdoms but this time the celtic culture is strong enough to absorb rather than be absorbed) and then working out an equivalent to the elizabethan golden age to kick off an empire / colonies, some kind of civil war to resolve constitutional matters, and then a background for the industrial revolution (bearing in mind it was driven by owning a lot of sheep and easy access to coal so although victorian capitalism played its part, it was the technology and the resources coming together as well))In this future there is no england, scotland, ireland or wales, but a mixture of mini-kingdoms and provinces, providing the basis for a clan dominated society and dealing with the rest of the world as the United Kingdoms of Celtonia....I still like the idea of having some classes fixed in law - Noble, Warrior, Craftsman, Worker - 'Slave' and the political organisation being based on 'election' by a particular group from a narrow pool of candidates - it would be democratic enough that you could see it surviving into the modern age rather than being revolted out. (cf Early roman republicanism - the patrician class literally were the representatives of their family, and spoke and block voted for the entire family in the senate) Some of the ancient kingdoms might have 'special' status - eg the iceni provide the figure-head high queen or the kingdom of the isles might always be in charge of the navy. Since we're talking a RP setting it needs to be stable enough to be believable, but to have some tensions that can be used as back story and the class / clan seems to be perfect for that. I'm assuming here that Celtonia is going to be based on the british isles rather than most of western europe - that might require slightly to big a rewrite of history....</blockquote>

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