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<blockquote data-quote="alsih2o" data-source="post: 2026024" data-attributes="member: 4790"><p>Maldur-</p><p></p><p>MacBeth vs Ruined</p><p>clowns, succes, escape and judgement, How different the stories, and still</p><p>the same.</p><p>MacBeth's is stronger but "borrowed", and ruined's was FUNNY.</p><p></p><p>[sblock]My Vote for Macbeth[/sblock]</p><p></p><p> Alsih2o-</p><p></p><p> First a comment to both authors and the other writers: Please drop the in-post commentary. I appreciate the honesty from Macbeth and the humble intro (and game-time sacrifice J ) from Ruined, but let’s try to keep these things to posts that are not entries. I think we get a better and fairer game with no in-post commentary form the authors )(Macbeths IS an odd case) and if we don’t draw a line somewhere, well, you know the rest. J</p><p></p><p></p><p> Macbeth- I kept thinking all throughout that this sounded just like some folk tale. I was amazed at the classic sense of the story. What do you know? It is.</p><p></p><p> Now, I haven’t read that story and I feel I have dealt with Macbeth enough to trust him that he changed it, but I am still uncomfortable with this. As an artist I know the value of working form the base left by other artists but still… Something about it makes me itch.</p><p></p><p> The pictures are integrated well and I felt this was a hard set to deal with. The writing is strong, despite some typos/misspellings, but I am left wondering how much of that comes form the mood of the original piece.</p><p></p><p> Ruined- Here we have a good solid story with an interesting twist. </p><p></p><p> The pictures are used well, but not in an outstanding way. The face and the tarry feet are handled pretty well, and the face is OK. The hobgoblins picture was used with a decent creative bent as well, but I would have liked to see at least one of them become more of a focus.</p><p></p><p> Judgement- [sblock] A hard one, two good stories, man I love this competition.Iit is close and I have to go with Ruined for the all-original story.[/sblock]</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Piratecat-</p><p></p><p> Okay, I’ll start by saying that <strong>both</strong> the stories deserve to advance.</p><p>They’re both well-written, fun to read, and awfully impressive. We can only</p><p>advance one, though, so let’s see how they stack up. . .</p><p></p><p></p><p>Macbeth’s The Clown of God</p><p></p><p>I’m a little uncomfortable having Ceramic DM stories be reinterpretations of</p><p>other peoples’ work. That’s not because there’s no art or skill in retelling</p><p>a classic story – far from it – but because without the original work we</p><p>have no way of telling how much of the story is original and how much isn’t.</p><p>My research into the original <em>Clown of God</em> indicates that Macbeth</p><p>has, in fact, made the story his own.</p><p></p><p>I’ve batted this back and forth, and I think that ultimately a story has to</p><p>stand on its own merits. We’re trusting people to not plagiarize and do</p><p>original writing anyways. That being said, I suspect that works which are</p><p>not wholly original will start with a strike against them; be warned!</p><p></p><p>I’ll start off by talking about what I didn’t like. Typos! There’s quite a</p><p>few punctuation errors, spelling mistakes and simple typing goofs. This</p><p>remains an area where Macbeth needs to tighten up his standards; good</p><p>writing can be scuttled by poor editing. Only one logical error that I could</p><p>see; Rodion’s parents would almost certainly be drinking vodka instead of</p><p>Southern Comfort.</p><p></p><p>There’s a lot more aspects of the story that I did like. I loved the story</p><p>itself, and I find it very interesting how well the writing and the pictures</p><p>supported one another. This is a good example of a story with tightly</p><p>integrated images. None of the illustrations were obviously tossed in just</p><p>to include it in the tale; the use of the images flowed smoothly out of the</p><p>text, and that’s the best way to handle it in Ceramic DM. In fact, the big</p><p>failing is that there is no image of Rodion juggling as one of the mandatory</p><p>illustrations! Macbeth couldn’t add that, of course, but the image of the</p><p>juggling balls is so powerful that the story seems weaker without it.</p><p></p><p>The writing itself was very strong. Rhythm, tone, and imagery worked well</p><p>together. I half expected Macbeth to go off on a tangent that he studiously</p><p>avoided; it occurred to me that what we had in Dmitry’s theater was a</p><p>burgeoning superhero team, of all things. Talk about mixing genres. . . but</p><p>yet, the fact that it didn’t seem absurd to me says something about the</p><p>strength of the writing. Instead we went towards the original story’s lesson</p><p>of religious epiphany and the lesson that you can succeed by doing your best</p><p>and pleasing yourself. I’d like to see how this story might have evolved if</p><p>Macbeth hadn’t been retelling the original fable.</p><p></p><p>-- o --</p><p></p><p>Ruined’s Working for the Weekend</p><p></p><p>My first impression when starting this story is that Ruined needs to trust</p><p>his subtlety and avoid over-writing. Things are a bit too spelled out; Gavin</p><p>doesn’t just puff out his chest, he puffs it out in self-importance. When he</p><p>goes through and does the classic “remove 10% of the words” editing pass,</p><p>that’s the sort of thing that should go. Luckily, this isn’t a trend that</p><p>continues. I noticed a few typos, incidentally.</p><p></p><p>The concept of this story is a wonderful one. I like the idea of the faeries</p><p>wanting nothing more than to work. It creates a great framework to write</p><p>around, and Ruined carries it off nicely. I think this aspect could have</p><p>been stressed a little more because there’s some nice humor implicit in the</p><p>idea of Gavin and Tinsdale competing to be the most over-worked, especially</p><p>when the humans around them don’t necessarily feel this way.</p><p></p><p>Photo use is equally strong. The hobgoblins in parade is one of the best</p><p>uses, and the others are good as well. The tar on the feet felt a little</p><p>disjointed; more than any other picture, this felt inserted only for the</p><p>story. Otherwise, I was pleased with how well the photos fit.</p><p></p><p>Ultimately, Ruined’s story would be better with another editing pass. I</p><p>think that the tighter it becomes, the stronger it would be. I loved the</p><p>conversation between characters, and would like to see more of that.</p><p></p><p>-- o --</p><p></p><p>Both stories are good for a first round, and it’s a tough decision to make.</p><p>Macbeth’s seems a little better written to me, but Ruined has a more</p><p>original concept. Frankly, both authors should be proud of themselves.</p><p></p><p>[sblock]I give my vote to Macbeth to a hair. Even considering that he is</p><p>reinterpreting an existing story, the strength of his writing and photo</p><p>integration combined with a weightier theme to push the balance slightly in</p><p>his favor. [/sblock]</p><p></p><p> Decision- [sblock]Macbeth advances by split decision, 2-1[/sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="alsih2o, post: 2026024, member: 4790"] Maldur- MacBeth vs Ruined clowns, succes, escape and judgement, How different the stories, and still the same. MacBeth's is stronger but "borrowed", and ruined's was FUNNY. [sblock]My Vote for Macbeth[/sblock] Alsih2o- First a comment to both authors and the other writers: Please drop the in-post commentary. I appreciate the honesty from Macbeth and the humble intro (and game-time sacrifice J ) from Ruined, but let’s try to keep these things to posts that are not entries. I think we get a better and fairer game with no in-post commentary form the authors )(Macbeths IS an odd case) and if we don’t draw a line somewhere, well, you know the rest. J Macbeth- I kept thinking all throughout that this sounded just like some folk tale. I was amazed at the classic sense of the story. What do you know? It is. Now, I haven’t read that story and I feel I have dealt with Macbeth enough to trust him that he changed it, but I am still uncomfortable with this. As an artist I know the value of working form the base left by other artists but still… Something about it makes me itch. The pictures are integrated well and I felt this was a hard set to deal with. The writing is strong, despite some typos/misspellings, but I am left wondering how much of that comes form the mood of the original piece. Ruined- Here we have a good solid story with an interesting twist. The pictures are used well, but not in an outstanding way. The face and the tarry feet are handled pretty well, and the face is OK. The hobgoblins picture was used with a decent creative bent as well, but I would have liked to see at least one of them become more of a focus. Judgement- [sblock] A hard one, two good stories, man I love this competition.Iit is close and I have to go with Ruined for the all-original story.[/sblock] Piratecat- Okay, I’ll start by saying that [b]both[/b] the stories deserve to advance. They’re both well-written, fun to read, and awfully impressive. We can only advance one, though, so let’s see how they stack up. . . Macbeth’s The Clown of God I’m a little uncomfortable having Ceramic DM stories be reinterpretations of other peoples’ work. That’s not because there’s no art or skill in retelling a classic story – far from it – but because without the original work we have no way of telling how much of the story is original and how much isn’t. My research into the original [i]Clown of God[/i] indicates that Macbeth has, in fact, made the story his own. I’ve batted this back and forth, and I think that ultimately a story has to stand on its own merits. We’re trusting people to not plagiarize and do original writing anyways. That being said, I suspect that works which are not wholly original will start with a strike against them; be warned! I’ll start off by talking about what I didn’t like. Typos! There’s quite a few punctuation errors, spelling mistakes and simple typing goofs. This remains an area where Macbeth needs to tighten up his standards; good writing can be scuttled by poor editing. Only one logical error that I could see; Rodion’s parents would almost certainly be drinking vodka instead of Southern Comfort. There’s a lot more aspects of the story that I did like. I loved the story itself, and I find it very interesting how well the writing and the pictures supported one another. This is a good example of a story with tightly integrated images. None of the illustrations were obviously tossed in just to include it in the tale; the use of the images flowed smoothly out of the text, and that’s the best way to handle it in Ceramic DM. In fact, the big failing is that there is no image of Rodion juggling as one of the mandatory illustrations! Macbeth couldn’t add that, of course, but the image of the juggling balls is so powerful that the story seems weaker without it. The writing itself was very strong. Rhythm, tone, and imagery worked well together. I half expected Macbeth to go off on a tangent that he studiously avoided; it occurred to me that what we had in Dmitry’s theater was a burgeoning superhero team, of all things. Talk about mixing genres. . . but yet, the fact that it didn’t seem absurd to me says something about the strength of the writing. Instead we went towards the original story’s lesson of religious epiphany and the lesson that you can succeed by doing your best and pleasing yourself. I’d like to see how this story might have evolved if Macbeth hadn’t been retelling the original fable. -- o -- Ruined’s Working for the Weekend My first impression when starting this story is that Ruined needs to trust his subtlety and avoid over-writing. Things are a bit too spelled out; Gavin doesn’t just puff out his chest, he puffs it out in self-importance. When he goes through and does the classic “remove 10% of the words” editing pass, that’s the sort of thing that should go. Luckily, this isn’t a trend that continues. I noticed a few typos, incidentally. The concept of this story is a wonderful one. I like the idea of the faeries wanting nothing more than to work. It creates a great framework to write around, and Ruined carries it off nicely. I think this aspect could have been stressed a little more because there’s some nice humor implicit in the idea of Gavin and Tinsdale competing to be the most over-worked, especially when the humans around them don’t necessarily feel this way. Photo use is equally strong. The hobgoblins in parade is one of the best uses, and the others are good as well. The tar on the feet felt a little disjointed; more than any other picture, this felt inserted only for the story. Otherwise, I was pleased with how well the photos fit. Ultimately, Ruined’s story would be better with another editing pass. I think that the tighter it becomes, the stronger it would be. I loved the conversation between characters, and would like to see more of that. -- o -- Both stories are good for a first round, and it’s a tough decision to make. Macbeth’s seems a little better written to me, but Ruined has a more original concept. Frankly, both authors should be proud of themselves. [sblock]I give my vote to Macbeth to a hair. Even considering that he is reinterpreting an existing story, the strength of his writing and photo integration combined with a weightier theme to push the balance slightly in his favor. [/sblock] Decision- [sblock]Macbeth advances by split decision, 2-1[/sblock] [/QUOTE]
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