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<blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 5376217" data-attributes="member: 40177">This is an artefact of earlier editions of D&amp;D.Remember that, in the original rules, PCs were generated by a &quot;3d6 in order&quot; method.&nbsp; While this made it difficult to get your ideal character, it also provided a weird sort of balance to the attributes - namely, attributes did not need to be balanced.&nbsp; Strength could very well be a better attribute than, say, Intelligence.&nbsp; And charisma could very well be a nigh-useless stat.&nbsp; Once the idea of assigning rolls (or, later, point buy) came into effect, this rule had to be tweaked.&nbsp; Fourth edition did a pretty good job making Charisma viable, but unfortunately, 3.5/PF can still very much make it a &quot;dump stat&quot;.&nbsp; I would argue that in 3.5E/PF actually made charisma MORE of a dump stat than previous editions, due to the fact that social interactions are based on skills and not attributes, and that leadership/followers are less a part of the game than in earlier editions.&nbsp; I'm sure people would disagree with me on that one, though.As a sidenote, I agree with you about the optimization thing.&nbsp; This is why I refuse to play 3.5 or PF - the idea of character optimization.&nbsp; And it's slowly getting to the point where I'm close to swearing off 4e, for the same damned reason.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wik, post: 5376217, member: 40177"] This is an artefact of earlier editions of D&D. Remember that, in the original rules, PCs were generated by a "3d6 in order" method. While this made it difficult to get your ideal character, it also provided a weird sort of balance to the attributes - namely, attributes did not need to be balanced. Strength could very well be a better attribute than, say, Intelligence. And charisma could very well be a nigh-useless stat. Once the idea of assigning rolls (or, later, point buy) came into effect, this rule had to be tweaked. Fourth edition did a pretty good job making Charisma viable, but unfortunately, 3.5/PF can still very much make it a "dump stat". I would argue that in 3.5E/PF actually made charisma MORE of a dump stat than previous editions, due to the fact that social interactions are based on skills and not attributes, and that leadership/followers are less a part of the game than in earlier editions. I'm sure people would disagree with me on that one, though. As a sidenote, I agree with you about the optimization thing. This is why I refuse to play 3.5 or PF - the idea of character optimization. And it's slowly getting to the point where I'm close to swearing off 4e, for the same damned reason. [/QUOTE]

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