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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 5377055">hah, I feel bad, didn't catch the "War" reference. To answer you in brief, I would say that no, it is not.  The issue I tend to find is that people simply don't understand it, and make it out to be more complicated than it needs to be.   And no, I really don't think there is.  Each stat is reflective of a certain aspect of a person.  Intelligence has always implied bookishness.  Certainly you are studied, but you are not worldly.  Wisdom implies worldly, but not necessarily intelligence.  You may have learned what defines the price of tea in China...from living in China, but you don't know a lick about economics.  Charisma is more of a "stree smarts" kind of wisdom, you've got a quick tongue, but you're not worldly and you're not bookish. When people make their characters, I feel too often people roll-play and not role-play.  It's very easy to see your character as numbers and abilities, and forget how these things play into the character as a person. Hmmm, not as brief as I hoped. This, with emphasis. THIS, with added emphasis. As a general response to attractiveness, I don't really care to use it for that.  Why?  For the simple reason that there are plenty of people in the world who are physically beautiful beyond words, but once they open their mouth, it's a whole new ballgame.  That, and I want my players to feel like their characters are THEIRS to determine.  Sure, you can make the busty elf who uses her assets to get her way, but if your cha is low, you'll learn that your attempts come off as overdone and are ineffective, no matter how nice your melons are. Likewise a 4e paladin can still be gruff and undiplomatic, look like he's been hit by the backside of a horse one too many times, and still have a high CHA score.  Why?  because IMO, your appearance should be defined by YOU, not your stats.  Often the two align, with the ugly barbarian types, but I don't think it's mandatory they should. In regards to players who speak wel but play characters who don't, the answer is simple: just because you use big words doesn't make you sound any smarter.  high CHA?  Sure!  Low CHA?  No.  You come off as a babbling idiot who in-game mispronounces and gestures improperly or gives away your true intentions with a smile, a wink, a nudge, ect... anyway, my 2c</blockquote>

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