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<blockquote data-quote="Malin Genie" data-source="post: 957323" data-attributes="member: 1058">Hence my last two paragraphs trying to explain how a spell which isn't a Target spell can still be thought of as 'targeted' in a broader sense.&nbsp; Just to show (a) two can play the FAQ-quoting game and (b) no, the FAQ makes no sense and is indeed self-contradictory.....Main FAQ p50:If the spell has a Target entry, you must be able to see or touch the subject to use the spell......If the spell has an Effect entry and normally requires an attack roll against a specific target, you can still hit an unseen target...making a clear distinction between a Targeted spell and an Effect spell (which you can then aim at a 'target')I have looked at the quote you provide (Main FAQ 59), and it is in the context of adjudicating the mirror image spell.&nbsp; In that particular case, the mirror image works the same way with both &quot;Target&quot; (narrow sense) and &quot;target&quot; (Effect which you then try to hit someone with) so the word &quot;targeted&quot; is being used there in the broad sense.&nbsp; IMHO that quote, taken in the context in which it appears, does not establish that Effect spells are to be considered the same as Target spells outside of the specific situation being considered in that response, which is that of the mirror image spell.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Malin Genie, post: 957323, member: 1058"] Hence my last two paragraphs trying to explain how a spell which isn't a Target spell can still be thought of as 'targeted' in a broader sense. Just to show (a) two can play the FAQ-quoting game and (b) no, the FAQ makes no sense and is indeed self-contradictory..... Main FAQ p50: If the spell has a Target entry, you must be able to see or touch the subject to use the spell......If the spell has an Effect entry and normally requires an attack roll against a specific target, you can still hit an unseen target... making a clear distinction between a Targeted spell and an Effect spell (which you can then aim at a 'target') I have looked at the quote you provide (Main FAQ 59), and it is in the context of adjudicating the [i]mirror image[/i] spell. In that particular case, the [i]mirror image[/i] works the same way with both "Target" (narrow sense) and "target" (Effect which you then try to hit someone with) so the word "targeted" is being used there in the broad sense. IMHO that quote, taken in the context in which it appears, does not establish that Effect spells are to be considered the same as Target spells [i]outside of the specific situation being considered in that response,[/i] which is that of the [i]mirror image[/i] spell. [/QUOTE]

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