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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 9753054" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>If you can't take criticism/negativity on what you make, I advise you never publish.</p><p></p><p>There have been many writers/designers here who have been part of the community for years before they ever published anything. There have been writers/designers here who published work without ever shilling it here as an American car salesman...</p><p></p><p>The only reason you're here is for your own product, that's very clear. And as for market/product research, you already made something, you're trying to 'sell' here. So what exactly are you looking to research? Just people who agree with you and what you possibly wrote? If the people trash everything here, maybe you're doing something wrong? Maybe this game isn't what they are looking for? Or maybe people are critical to the umpteenth person that thinks their pnp RPG is 'special' and the best thing since sliced bread, in an already over-flooded pnp RPG market. Maybe you're right, your 'thing' will be extremely popular, and we're wrong...</p><p></p><p>And if 'a bunch of people who stubbornly hold on to decades of expectations' is not your target audience, who is, who would buy your product if not the pnp RPG community that's been around for a quarter century (where you only just showed up)? And I think that the 'decades' of expectations is a cop-out, as many of us most certainly dabble in modern RPGs. Something like Kids on Bikes, The Spire/Heart, WildSea, or Lancer are awesome, but still difficult to get to the table for most groups. It's not for nothing that many of us that have been into pnp RPGs for decades have bookcases full of very cool, but often unplayed or not played often, products. Many people prefer the classics, it's not for nothing that D&D is still the largest pnp RPG property around after 50+ years. It also doesn't help that this site grew out of Eric Noah's blog about the D&D 3rd edition rumours decades ago, so many came here for D&D in the first place...</p><p></p><p>We already have new hyped 'generic' RPGs, like Daggerheart, Cosmere, Tales of the Valiant, Cypher, AGE, etc. And none of those I can get really excited about, with the exception of <em>maybe</em> Cypher, not because of the system, but because of the settings that are published for it. But many, many are. How much was hype and how much was sustainability we'll see in a decade or so...</p><p></p><p>And you can say, it does xyz better than abc... Without actually showing it. When people critique you on it, you wave it away. Heck, at this point I wouldn't even bother looking, and I looked at the simple RPG system someone posted, made by ChatGPT... We have access to 50 years of published pnp RPG stuff, we have access to all the fanmade material, and today, whatever AI/LLM can cough up. We have a LOT of choice.</p><p></p><p>If/when you look at the 'Promotions/Press' sub-forum, you'll see many posts by publishers, often without any comment and if there are comments, they are mostly by the same publisher updating whatever they are trying to promote. There is occasional interaction if someone is genuinely interested or has questions or... Critique. And that's not just the really small publishers either...</p><p></p><p>If you go looking in other places: you might want to avoid Reddit (as they can easily downvote you)... RPG.net? And if negativity/critisism is difficult to work with avoid the 1d4chan like boards talking about pnp RPGs... There are a few others that might fit your style...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 9753054, member: 725"] If you can't take criticism/negativity on what you make, I advise you never publish. There have been many writers/designers here who have been part of the community for years before they ever published anything. There have been writers/designers here who published work without ever shilling it here as an American car salesman... The only reason you're here is for your own product, that's very clear. And as for market/product research, you already made something, you're trying to 'sell' here. So what exactly are you looking to research? Just people who agree with you and what you possibly wrote? If the people trash everything here, maybe you're doing something wrong? Maybe this game isn't what they are looking for? Or maybe people are critical to the umpteenth person that thinks their pnp RPG is 'special' and the best thing since sliced bread, in an already over-flooded pnp RPG market. Maybe you're right, your 'thing' will be extremely popular, and we're wrong... And if 'a bunch of people who stubbornly hold on to decades of expectations' is not your target audience, who is, who would buy your product if not the pnp RPG community that's been around for a quarter century (where you only just showed up)? And I think that the 'decades' of expectations is a cop-out, as many of us most certainly dabble in modern RPGs. Something like Kids on Bikes, The Spire/Heart, WildSea, or Lancer are awesome, but still difficult to get to the table for most groups. It's not for nothing that many of us that have been into pnp RPGs for decades have bookcases full of very cool, but often unplayed or not played often, products. Many people prefer the classics, it's not for nothing that D&D is still the largest pnp RPG property around after 50+ years. It also doesn't help that this site grew out of Eric Noah's blog about the D&D 3rd edition rumours decades ago, so many came here for D&D in the first place... We already have new hyped 'generic' RPGs, like Daggerheart, Cosmere, Tales of the Valiant, Cypher, AGE, etc. And none of those I can get really excited about, with the exception of [I]maybe[/I] Cypher, not because of the system, but because of the settings that are published for it. But many, many are. How much was hype and how much was sustainability we'll see in a decade or so... And you can say, it does xyz better than abc... Without actually showing it. When people critique you on it, you wave it away. Heck, at this point I wouldn't even bother looking, and I looked at the simple RPG system someone posted, made by ChatGPT... We have access to 50 years of published pnp RPG stuff, we have access to all the fanmade material, and today, whatever AI/LLM can cough up. We have a LOT of choice. If/when you look at the 'Promotions/Press' sub-forum, you'll see many posts by publishers, often without any comment and if there are comments, they are mostly by the same publisher updating whatever they are trying to promote. There is occasional interaction if someone is genuinely interested or has questions or... Critique. And that's not just the really small publishers either... If you go looking in other places: you might want to avoid Reddit (as they can easily downvote you)... RPG.net? And if negativity/critisism is difficult to work with avoid the 1d4chan like boards talking about pnp RPGs... There are a few others that might fit your style... [/QUOTE]
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