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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Danceofmasks" data-source="post: 4619106" data-attributes="member: 70765">I do not suggest choosing races with a dex bonus.The bottom line of doing so can be just a +1 to stealth, while items and feats can give you much greater bonuses.Gimping your main attack stat is not worth such a mediocre benefit. I'm just going to modify a standard 20-in-attack-stat party <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> ... it's what I build best, but there'll be interesting options in there for more balanced builds.Oh, and I'm suggesting pumping Dex so the characters are viable at sneaking at high levels. If it's just going to be a short term thing, ignoring dex isn't all that bad. Human great weapon fighter, using a fullblade, wearing scale (it has no armour check penalty).Pump Str + Dex ever stat bump, so dex isn't totally weaksauce.Start with a 20 13 13 10 10 8The build is all about those Close Burst 1 powers.In a striker-heavy party, more attack rolls = more fullblade crits + more foes marked (and flanked).Take skill focus (in addition to warrior of the wild) if you really need that stealth bonus early, and retrain it out once you get an elven cloak (or other stealth boosting item). Elven archery ranger, using a superior crossbow, wearing hide (yes, the extra AC is worth the -1 check penalty if you buy Dex 20)Pump Dex + Wis.Start with 10 11 20 8 16 10The build is a prime shot archery build, flanking with the fighter.Kill stuff quick is the order of the day, and superior crossbow is 'cos hitroll is king. You can also sneak attack with it after taking sneak of shadows (two thievery trained characters is not redundant, due to aid another and the crucial advice power))Probably aim to get sylvan hide for the stealth bonus.Swiftshot superior crossbow is a nice option, especially if with PP and action points there aren't enough actions to load and designate quarry. Tiefling staff wizard, modified Int 20 pyromancer build.Pump Dex + Int. Pick up second implement wand at paragon tier.Start with 8 13 13 20 10 12Fire all the way, and in the spirit of high speed slaughter, make frequent vocal suggestions that the fighter ought to get armour that grants fire resistance."Too bad flamedrinker armor doesn't come in scale!" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Hey look, a wizard with Dex! Take warrior of the wild.Tieflings get a stealth bonus, so it's less critical to find other bonuses early. Human battle cleric, wearing scale.Pump Str + Dex.Start with 20 13 13 10 10 8It's all about the righteous brand.Use a dagger to begin with ('cos scale proficiency and warrior of the wild should be level 1 feats), and take a superior weapon at level 2 such as ... a fullblade.Dumping Wis and Cha is viable due to those awesome Dex-based sword feats ... such as HBO and mastery.Probably a little weak at stealth early at +6, so ... tiefling bard could be a leader alternative. As a 5th character ... a rogue. Suggested build totally unnecessary.</blockquote>

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