Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
CHALLENGE: Change one thing about 5e
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="77IM" data-source="post: 6957388" data-attributes="member: 12377"><p><strong>Problem:</strong> Perception is a must-have skill.</p><p></p><p>I mean, you don't <em>have</em> to have it... but most PCs I see have Perception, and it is <em>by far</em> the single most requested skill checks by the DM, at any table I've played at.</p><p></p><p><strong>Solution:</strong> Initiative isn't a skill. Perception shouldn't be a skill, either. Make it "just a thing," like Initiative.</p><p></p><p>Initiative = Dex mod, plus bonuses from feats and class features and such.</p><p>Perception = Wis mod, plus bonuses from feats and class features and such.</p><p></p><p>While I'm at it, I would give more classes bonuses to these quantities. Otherwise there's not much point in listing them separately. Here's how I'd apportion them:</p><p></p><p><em>Initiative:</em> Fighters and rangers add their proficiency bonus; bards and rogues add half their proficiency bonus.</p><p><em>Perception:</em> Rangers and rogues add their proficiency bonus; bards, fighters, and elves add half their proficiency bonus.</p><p></p><p>Plus, there'd be a feat or two that adds to Perception, maybe some of the barbarian totems could do it, etc.</p><p></p><p>In monster stat blocks, it would be listed with the senses:</p><p><strong>Senses</strong> darkvision 120 ft., Perception +9 (passive 19)</p><p></p><p><strong>Why it Works:</strong> Perception is just too good a skill -- it's so much more valuable than other skills, so it should cost more. My solution removes the need to invest in Perception as a skill pick. But, characters may still vary in in their Perception based on class and race, reinforcing certain character archetypes as more or less perceptive. Finally, if you are using the optional feat system, characters can still invest in Perception; it would just be much more expensive than a skill pick.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="77IM, post: 6957388, member: 12377"] [B]Problem:[/B] Perception is a must-have skill. I mean, you don't [I]have[/I] to have it... but most PCs I see have Perception, and it is [I]by far[/I] the single most requested skill checks by the DM, at any table I've played at. [B]Solution:[/B] Initiative isn't a skill. Perception shouldn't be a skill, either. Make it "just a thing," like Initiative. Initiative = Dex mod, plus bonuses from feats and class features and such. Perception = Wis mod, plus bonuses from feats and class features and such. While I'm at it, I would give more classes bonuses to these quantities. Otherwise there's not much point in listing them separately. Here's how I'd apportion them: [I]Initiative:[/I] Fighters and rangers add their proficiency bonus; bards and rogues add half their proficiency bonus. [I]Perception:[/I] Rangers and rogues add their proficiency bonus; bards, fighters, and elves add half their proficiency bonus. Plus, there'd be a feat or two that adds to Perception, maybe some of the barbarian totems could do it, etc. In monster stat blocks, it would be listed with the senses: [B]Senses[/B] darkvision 120 ft., Perception +9 (passive 19) [B]Why it Works:[/B] Perception is just too good a skill -- it's so much more valuable than other skills, so it should cost more. My solution removes the need to invest in Perception as a skill pick. But, characters may still vary in in their Perception based on class and race, reinforcing certain character archetypes as more or less perceptive. Finally, if you are using the optional feat system, characters can still invest in Perception; it would just be much more expensive than a skill pick. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
CHALLENGE: Change one thing about 5e
Top