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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nebulous" data-source="post: 2721150" data-attributes="member: 31465">Hmm. I like CR's from the point that i can glimpse in the book and know roughly how tough a monster is.  But yeah, it really differs from group to group. Like others have stated, i don't particularly like how vanilla DnD is balanced. I prefer low to medium magic, and i don't like loading up PC's with oodles of +4 magic items just to give them a fighting chance.  So when i run adventures, i balance monsters against the PC's known stats.  If they all have roughly AC 18, i won't make them fight something with a +12/+12 attack bonus, i don't care what the book says.   I'll make it weaker. In the case of the babau that started this thread, that does seem sort of tough for the CR, but if there are two CR 6 monsters, what's the total ECL? 8? Against a ECL 10 party? Maybe they just got really lucky, or the PC's did not use the right strategy, or the dice just fell the wrong way. It's hard to say if CR is screwed up or not. In general it's worked for me, but i don't abide by it hard and fast by any means.</blockquote>