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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 8300658" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Howdy beej buddy!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The official monsters seem to be a bit scattershot in terms of Challenge Rating.</p><p></p><p>I outline at the start of this new book that my CR's only use the primary tables from the DMG and not all the secondary effects so the CR's in my book would maybe be +25% higher under the official rules. The argument I make is that if you adhere to the secondary abilities impacting CR then it undermines the Threat Levels by XP table. </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">So you can either have the CR's equal to the official monsters...in which case they feel too weak when used as appropriate threats</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Or you can have them be appropriate threats (for their XP)...in which case they will hit harder than equivalent CR official monsters.</li> </ul><p></p><p>I went with the latter mainly because it was less work for me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60a.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":giggle:" title="Giggle    :giggle:"  data-smilie="27"data-shortname=":giggle:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The 'proper' monsters in my book start around CR 12-13 (with a small number below that which are unavoidable 'minions' that needed including to round another monster out). However, as noted my CR 12 would be more like an official CR 15 (or at the very least a Monster Manual CR 15, if we assume slight power creep per CR in books like the Tome of Foes).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That should hopefully fit well with my long list (hence the delays) of monsters. My monsters kick in at CR 12 (equal to an official CR 15) and then its a pretty even spread up until the mid 30's (which would be more akin to a Monster Manual mid forty* I guess. and then I have a handful of special cases above that, shall we say. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>*If such a thing existed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks amigo, I appreciate the feedback. Hopefully the final book will feel epic enough even if 20-25% of the monsters are technically under CR 21.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 8300658, member: 326"] Howdy beej buddy! :) The official monsters seem to be a bit scattershot in terms of Challenge Rating. I outline at the start of this new book that my CR's only use the primary tables from the DMG and not all the secondary effects so the CR's in my book would maybe be +25% higher under the official rules. The argument I make is that if you adhere to the secondary abilities impacting CR then it undermines the Threat Levels by XP table. [LIST] [*]So you can either have the CR's equal to the official monsters...in which case they feel too weak when used as appropriate threats [*]Or you can have them be appropriate threats (for their XP)...in which case they will hit harder than equivalent CR official monsters. [/LIST] I went with the latter mainly because it was less work for me. :giggle: The 'proper' monsters in my book start around CR 12-13 (with a small number below that which are unavoidable 'minions' that needed including to round another monster out). However, as noted my CR 12 would be more like an official CR 15 (or at the very least a Monster Manual CR 15, if we assume slight power creep per CR in books like the Tome of Foes). That should hopefully fit well with my long list (hence the delays) of monsters. My monsters kick in at CR 12 (equal to an official CR 15) and then its a pretty even spread up until the mid 30's (which would be more akin to a Monster Manual mid forty* I guess. and then I have a handful of special cases above that, shall we say. ;) *If such a thing existed. Thanks amigo, I appreciate the feedback. Hopefully the final book will feel epic enough even if 20-25% of the monsters are technically under CR 21. [/QUOTE]
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