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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fieari" data-source="post: 1330297" data-attributes="member: 16221">Some related questions--I'm slightly confused as to how to calculate a party's level for the purposes of generating challenge ratings.  The DMG says to average the levels of the party members... but that really doesn't make sense to me.  If you were to average the party level of three 6th level characters or the party level of eighteen 6th level characters, you would come up with the exact same EPL... and that doesn't seem right.  More players should add up, shouldn't they?It seemed to make more sense to myself and my players that adding up the ECL of the party engaged in battle and the CR of the monsters being fought should equal for a fair fight.  And by this philosophy, my players have been surviving challenges, but sometimes only JUST BARELY and by the skin of their teeth.... so something feels amiss.My next question relates to the subject of dragons.  I've read a number of times on the boards here that the CR of dragons is HIGHLY underestimated.  What would you think is an ACCURATE CR for dragons?  To tie into the question above, what party level would you consider capable of handling a great wyrm?  (How many members in that party as well)  If there's a thread already on this subject, a link would be nice (I'd search but I can't)For background, I'm asking this because I'm trying to come up with a race (only loosely based on the phoenix) that is a racial enemy of dragons, and I need to gauge where to stick them in terms of power level at varius levels, and also determine a CR for them...</blockquote>

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