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<blockquote data-quote="The Little Raven" data-source="post: 4503436" data-attributes="member: 10095">No. You flat out claim the book doesn't say exactly what that passage says, and then provide zero evidence for that claim (and even go so far as to intentionally reword our evidence to support your claim). It is written proof that our claim is correct and that your claim is wrong.It would be like me saying &quot;3e requires you to roll for hit points at 1st-level&quot; and then when people quote the 3e PHB where it says that you use maximum HP at 1st-level, I dismiss it because it contradicts me by saying &quot;Use something else for your defense.&quot;And your assertion is wrong. Saying &quot;I use Nature to succeed.&quot; says nothing about the method by which you are using Nature to meet the challenge. All it says is that you have selected a skill, but you have not actually thought about the ways in which the skill is used to meet the challenge.It doesn't because skill challenges are specifically designed to use a series of skill checks in order meet a challenge, if the players can present an acceptable method of using the skill for that challenge.You keep making these claims about only having to pick a skill and roll, but you have provided exactly zero evidence that the books say that. One of the basics of debate is that when you make a claim, you back up that claim. You have not done that, you have merely dismissed the evidence that other people have presented. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to their own facts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Little Raven, post: 4503436, member: 10095"] No. You flat out claim the book doesn't say exactly what that passage says, and then provide zero evidence for that claim (and even go so far as to intentionally reword our evidence to support your claim). It is written proof that our claim is correct and that your claim is wrong. It would be like me saying "3e requires you to roll for hit points at 1st-level" and then when people quote the 3e PHB where it says that you use maximum HP at 1st-level, I dismiss it because it contradicts me by saying "Use something else for your defense." And your assertion is wrong. Saying "I use Nature to succeed." says nothing about the method by which you are using Nature to meet the challenge. All it says is that you have selected a skill, but you have not actually thought about the ways in which the skill is used to meet the challenge. It doesn't because skill challenges are specifically designed to use a series of skill checks in order meet a challenge, if the players can present an acceptable method of using the skill for that challenge. You keep making these claims about only having to pick a skill and roll, but you have provided exactly zero evidence that the books say that. One of the basics of debate is that when you make a claim, you back up that claim. You have not done that, you have merely dismissed the evidence that other people have presented. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to their own facts. [/QUOTE]

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