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<blockquote data-quote="howandwhy99" data-source="post: 4503538" data-attributes="member: 3192">Wow.&nbsp; Okay, I think you are confused possibly by adhering to what I like to call &quot;The Big Muddle&quot; which inarticulately confuses a number of things including role-playing, acting, game playing, and storytelling.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you actually look up the definition of Narration you'll see that it means: (here's one way of putting it)From the way you are describing it, it would seem like every manner of speech is a narration, which of course isn't true.&nbsp; There are many modes of discourse where narration is only one, one which is the relation of events or a series of events.&nbsp; In an RPG, this only happens if you (or the GM) role-plays a character who then tells a story.&nbsp; The actual act of role-playing isn't telling a story at all.&nbsp; No more than you or I are telling stories simply by existing.&nbsp; Well, first, role-players are not adopting fictional personae, they are taking on a hypothetical role.&nbsp; They do not move through &quot;scenes&quot; in the same way you or I do not move through scenes in real life.&nbsp; Just because we are taking action hypothetically does not mean we are creating fiction.&nbsp; Of course, fiction has more than one meaning, so that may be the source of the confusion.&nbsp; Not all imaginings (thinking) are fiction as fiction relates to story, but they do qualify as fiction under one definition of the word.&nbsp; A lie is another kind of fiction under this definition, but that doesn't make all lies or falsehoods stories.To be clear, this is not my definition of role-playing.&nbsp; It is the one used by most English speakers outside of the RPG hobby (and by those not confused by the definition of &quot;role-playing&quot; within).Skill Challenges, as Pemerton correctly shows, are not role-playing challenges, so I cannot show you how their usage could qualify as such.&nbsp; Skill use can be.&nbsp; If you go back and read my previous response, you'll see examples of both.If you are caught up on the Indie confusion, you may be including all acting, improvisational or otherwise, with role-playing.&nbsp; Perhaps all theatre game playing as well.&nbsp; But, of course, acting is not role-playing or we'd never need two words for it.&nbsp; This may be one of the major points of confusion in that community.Here's another dictionary definition:Again, I think you're confusing acting and/or storytelling with role-playing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="howandwhy99, post: 4503538, member: 3192"] Wow. Okay, I think you are confused possibly by adhering to what I like to call "The Big Muddle" which inarticulately confuses a number of things including role-playing, acting, game playing, and storytelling. If you actually look up the definition of Narration you'll see that it means: (here's one way of putting it) From the way you are describing it, it would seem like every manner of speech is a narration, which of course isn't true. There are many modes of discourse where narration is only one, one which is the relation of events or a series of events. In an RPG, this only happens if you (or the GM) role-plays a character who then tells a story. The actual act of role-playing isn't telling a story at all. No more than you or I are telling stories simply by existing. Well, first, role-players are not adopting fictional personae, they are taking on a hypothetical role. They do not move through "scenes" in the same way you or I do not move through scenes in real life. Just because we are taking action hypothetically does not mean we are creating fiction. Of course, fiction has more than one meaning, so that may be the source of the confusion. Not all imaginings (thinking) are fiction as fiction relates to story, but they do qualify as fiction under one definition of the word. A lie is another kind of fiction under this definition, but that doesn't make all lies or falsehoods stories. To be clear, this is not my definition of role-playing. It is the one used by most English speakers outside of the RPG hobby (and by those not confused by the definition of "role-playing" within). Skill Challenges, as Pemerton correctly shows, are not role-playing challenges, so I cannot show you how their usage could qualify as such. Skill use can be. If you go back and read my previous response, you'll see examples of both. If you are caught up on the Indie confusion, you may be including all acting, improvisational or otherwise, with role-playing. Perhaps all theatre game playing as well. But, of course, acting is not role-playing or we'd never need two words for it. This may be one of the major points of confusion in that community. Here's another dictionary definition: Again, I think you're confusing acting and/or storytelling with role-playing. [/QUOTE]

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