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<blockquote data-quote="howandwhy99" data-source="post: 4515667" data-attributes="member: 3192">As I answered to Mustrum_Ridcully, I think I'm defining role-playing by a larger definition than currently used.&nbsp; The act of &quot;role-playing your character&quot; is often referring solely to in-character or improvisational acting play.&nbsp; I'm sure there are many definitions of role-playing, I simply disagree with both swamping the term as &quot;collaborative storytelling&quot; or redefining it to include out-of-role actions.&nbsp; In the definition of martial arts, are all of them arts for being martial?&nbsp; I don't believe Tai chi chuan is, but I cannot think of any other.&nbsp; Here we could say is a change of intent.&nbsp; The forms are still somewhat martial, but performed for health reasons.&nbsp; But could Tai Chi practitioners use those forms for combat?&nbsp; Probably not nearly as well as most other schools.&nbsp; I've never heard of Tai Chi combat competitions.&nbsp; What do you think other martial artists would say, if the dictionary definition became: &quot;Martial Arts are exercises for health and longevity&quot; and then used as examples: aerobics, yoga, and jazzercise along with Ju-jitsu and Tae kwon-do?I know we've gone over this as Playing God or Playing a Role in the world.&nbsp; You believe you can narrate (determine) the world by saying what it is alone, but all the while stay in-character.&nbsp; I don't believe so.&nbsp; I believe the term role-playing pretty much defines itself.Yep, I don't see role-playing as a novelist attempting to see things through the eyes of his characters and then writing a believable story.&nbsp; The success can only be a success of portrayal.I'm pleased we agree, but as you know I disagree role-playing can be the telling a story unless it becomes theater.&nbsp; It's the reason why D&amp;D and most other RPG hobby games aren't called theatre or acting games in the first place.I used the world warping examples as they allow Players to remain solely role-playing.&nbsp; The definitions of philosophical story-telling intent in life, if true, would mean &quot;story&quot; as a label would become non-functional.&nbsp; It wouldn't differentiate anything really.Which all means, of course, you have to stop role-playing to tell stories.&nbsp; I don't think we're disagreeing on this.&nbsp; I think we're defining role-playing differently.&nbsp; I am in the &quot;Play your character/role&quot; crowd.&nbsp; And I believe you are more in the &quot;any kind of make believe is role-playing&quot; crowd.&nbsp; But correct me if I'm wrong.&nbsp; I'm not sure where else I can go in this thread and still stay on topic, but if you have anything, I'll check back.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="howandwhy99, post: 4515667, member: 3192"] As I answered to Mustrum_Ridcully, I think I'm defining role-playing by a larger definition than currently used. The act of "role-playing your character" is often referring solely to in-character or improvisational acting play. I'm sure there are many definitions of role-playing, I simply disagree with both swamping the term as "collaborative storytelling" or redefining it to include out-of-role actions. In the definition of martial arts, are all of them arts for being martial? I don't believe Tai chi chuan is, but I cannot think of any other. Here we could say is a change of intent. The forms are still somewhat martial, but performed for health reasons. But could Tai Chi practitioners use those forms for combat? Probably not nearly as well as most other schools. I've never heard of Tai Chi combat competitions. What do you think other martial artists would say, if the dictionary definition became: "Martial Arts are exercises for health and longevity" and then used as examples: aerobics, yoga, and jazzercise along with Ju-jitsu and Tae kwon-do? I know we've gone over this as Playing God or Playing a Role in the world. You believe you can narrate (determine) the world by saying what it is alone, but all the while stay in-character. I don't believe so. I believe the term role-playing pretty much defines itself. Yep, I don't see role-playing as a novelist attempting to see things through the eyes of his characters and then writing a believable story. The success can only be a success of portrayal. I'm pleased we agree, but as you know I disagree role-playing can be the telling a story unless it becomes theater. It's the reason why D&D and most other RPG hobby games aren't called theatre or acting games in the first place. I used the world warping examples as they allow Players to remain solely role-playing. The definitions of philosophical story-telling intent in life, if true, would mean "story" as a label would become non-functional. It wouldn't differentiate anything really. Which all means, of course, you have to stop role-playing to tell stories. I don't think we're disagreeing on this. I think we're defining role-playing differently. I am in the "Play your character/role" crowd. And I believe you are more in the "any kind of make believe is role-playing" crowd. But correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not sure where else I can go in this thread and still stay on topic, but if you have anything, I'll check back. [/QUOTE]

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