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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 4551808" data-attributes="member: 2209">Challenging the character stats sure you can. Its just a -3 on the d20 charisma check. Success depends on the relevant stats, the DM set DC, and the die roll.Low charisma characters can try just as much as high charisma characters.If your concept is a guy who is not persuasive (say a half-orc with no people skills), that is something you can roleplay as a player regardless of actual stats.This seems to be a heavy emphasis of character concept and game reality through mechanic stats instead of through game play portrayal and common sense.If a trap door is under a rug and my fighter with no search skill/perception pulls back the rug he needs to make a search check to see the trap door he uncovered?I'd hate to have my game play actions negated by a DM calling for inappropriate rolls that lead to ludicrous results. &quot;But you need to see the consequences of your choice to play a fighter&quot; is not an argument to endear me to that style of game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 4551808, member: 2209"] Challenging the character stats sure you can. Its just a -3 on the d20 charisma check. Success depends on the relevant stats, the DM set DC, and the die roll. Low charisma characters can try just as much as high charisma characters. If your concept is a guy who is not persuasive (say a half-orc with no people skills), that is something you can roleplay as a player regardless of actual stats. This seems to be a heavy emphasis of character concept and game reality through mechanic stats instead of through game play portrayal and common sense. If a trap door is under a rug and my fighter with no search skill/perception pulls back the rug he needs to make a search check to see the trap door he uncovered? I'd hate to have my game play actions negated by a DM calling for inappropriate rolls that lead to ludicrous results. "But you need to see the consequences of your choice to play a fighter" is not an argument to endear me to that style of game. [/QUOTE]

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