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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3891070" data-attributes="member: 18280">Sorry, but I am afraid that accepting that is just giving in to the poisonous relationship that some folks insist upon cultivating.&nbsp; You know, the one that includes ridiculing anyone who voices a legitimate concern.&nbsp; Unwillingness to explore those concerns like adults is, IMHO, the #1 contributor to the poisonous atmosphere you are describing.It was not something that happened with 3e.&nbsp; Again, by this point, WotC had a clear message and was giving out clear information.&nbsp; I have recently gone through the Dragons leading up to 3e, and I am amazed at the difference....it was far more than I was expecting.There are some things I really like about the 4e design direction (insofar as it has been revealled), some things that make me wonder whether or not the designers took enough into consideration when attempting to fix problems, some things that remind me of my own house rules (an easily accessed Faerie, fighting styles based on weapons, etc.), and some things that I just don't like (tieflings and warforged as core).&nbsp; I will readily admit that I am really not happy with the DI.I will certainly agree that some fans can contribute to &quot;the poisonous wotc/fan relationship&quot;, but telling us &quot;We're bending over backwards to tell you everything we can&quot; while telling us nothing of substance, to my mind, is certainly cultivating poison.&nbsp; Actually being responsive, and supplying some real answers, would do a hell of a lot, IMHO, toward removing the poisonous atmosphere.IMHO.&nbsp; YOMV, and obviously does.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3891070, member: 18280"] Sorry, but I am afraid that accepting that is just giving in to the poisonous relationship that some folks insist upon cultivating. You know, the one that includes ridiculing anyone who voices a legitimate concern. Unwillingness to explore those concerns like adults is, IMHO, the #1 contributor to the poisonous atmosphere you are describing. It was not something that happened with 3e. Again, by this point, WotC had a clear message and was giving out clear information. I have recently gone through the Dragons leading up to 3e, and I am amazed at the difference....it was far more than I was expecting. There are some things I really like about the 4e design direction (insofar as it has been revealled), some things that make me wonder whether or not the designers took enough into consideration when attempting to fix problems, some things that remind me of my own house rules (an easily accessed Faerie, fighting styles based on weapons, etc.), and some things that I just don't like (tieflings and warforged as core). I will readily admit that I am really not happy with the DI. I will certainly agree that some fans can contribute to "the poisonous wotc/fan relationship", but telling us "We're bending over backwards to tell you everything we can" while telling us nothing of substance, to my mind, is certainly cultivating poison. Actually being responsive, and supplying some real answers, would do a hell of a lot, IMHO, toward removing the poisonous atmosphere. IMHO. YOMV, and obviously does. RC [/QUOTE]

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