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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3070980" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey all! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I got into an interesting discussion over on the WotC forums, which made me do a bit of research and testing.<a href="http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=698477" target="_blank">http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=698477</a>The results were a touch surprising, and I discovered two things.Firstly, that when using groups of lesser opponents in tandem with my CR x2 = EL +4 formula, you should ALWAYS use the maximum number of opponents OR at least a number that is above the average.e.g. 4-5 same CR opponents = EL +4 ~ average 4.5. Therefore always use 56-7 same CR opponents = EL +5 ~ average 6.5. Therefore always use 78-11 same CR opponents = EL +6 ~ average 9.5. Therefore always use 10 or 1112-15 same CR opponents = EL +7 ~ average 13.5. Therefore always use 14 or 1516-23 same CR opponents = EL +8 ~ average 19.5. Therefore always use 20-23Those of you keeping up with the Throne of Orcus work in progress on my website will note that I had already stated you should always use maximums, just to be on the safe side.Secondly (and this one may need further testing?), I am not sure if the CR x2 = EL +4 functions perfectly at every non-epic level. It could be that CR x2 = EL +6 for non-epic levels.I have done some testing and five 13th-level Fighters roughly equal one 20th-level Fighter. Where before I would have said four 10th-levellers.This certainly seems to be the case in and around the 10th-20th mark. But weirdly not below 10th or above 20th. Four (or possibly even 3) 5th-levellers equal one 10th.Could just be some anomalous testing of course but probably worth keeping an eye on. It seems like there is a spike in the power levels between 10-20th.Between 1st-6th, Use 3 instead of 4-5 (e.g. 3 2nd = 1 4th)Between 7th-12th Use 4-5 (e.g. 4-5 6th = 1 12th)Between 13th-19th use 6-7 instead of 4-5 (e.g. 6-7 10th = 1 19th)Any comments?Consider this thread a general catch all for Challenge Rating and Encounter Level stuff. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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