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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3157209" data-attributes="member: 326">Hiya mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Usual. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Okay, where does this alternate CR come from?68 HD intermediated Deity = ECL 128 = CR 85.Where does CR 113 come from?Okay.Well firstly, remember that when using multiple characters always use at least the average and round any fractions up.So when the spread says 8-11 characters, you should always use at least 10.No idea, but heres a thought, why would you go back to v4 after I released v5?I'm lost, where does CR 113 come from? I probably stated that CR should equal ECL. The simple fact of the matter is that it does not. In version 4 I used a system whereby CR and ECL were the same thing. But it simply proved too confusing to people, because you had WotC CR and Upper_Krust CR.You seem to be mixing v4 with v5.The simple facts are:ECL 128 = CR 85.ECL 30 = CR 20. Therefore the two should never be brought together since one is more than x4 the other, which is not advisable at epic levels. However, if we choose to ignore that...CR x 1.5 = EL +2 = x2 PCsCR x 2 = EL +4 = x4 PCsCR x 3 = EL +6 = x8 PCsCR x 4 = EL +8 = x16 PCs2x ECL 30/ CR 20 = ECL 45/CR 30 (so 2 L30 characters = CR 30)4x ECL 30/CR 20 = ECL 60/CR 40 (so 4-5* L30 characters = CR 40) 8x ECL 30/CR 20 = ECL 90/CR60 (so 8-11* L30 characters = CR 60)16x ECL 30/CR 20 = ECL 120/CR 80 (so 16-23* L30 characters = CR 80)*Remember in all cases of multiple characters to use average or better numbers (5/10/20 in these cases).So technically twenty L30 characters would be roughly equal to a single Intermediate deity with 68 hit die.But, as previously stated the god would probably still win because hes more than four times more powerful than any individual.Collectively it would be an EL +/-0 encounter though. With each character gaining 75 EXP x their ECL. 2250 in this case.</blockquote>

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