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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 3370404" data-attributes="member: 29746">I have just one comment to add here...I'm sorry, but it really isn't. Really. Now, I admit that my PCs are slightly more powerful than the average for their level (I've long assumed a "phantom ECL" of +2 for any characters made with my house rules), but even taking this into account- the PCs in my now-Epic game were taking on multiple Balors at once sub-20th-level and winning. Balors are definitely not ECL 30, the WotC CR accurately guages them as being "moderate" for a party of 20th-level characters IMO.These days, there are at least four PCs in the party who would just laugh if thrown up against a Balor one-on-one, and they're 32nd level max. "How many hit points doesn't it have? What's its SR? (oh, I can beat that in my sleep- good thing, too, *yawn*) Only 100 points of damage if I fail the save against its death-explosion? Come on- where are the hard monsters?" I suspect even the party's Bard (who has concentrated on optimizing non-combat things, particularly party support such as her Bardic Music) wouldn't feel particularly threatened if one were to show up and challenge her now.</blockquote>