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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3533867" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey all! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Been a bit busy on the Ascension art as well as prepping a week of website updates in honour of the Bestiary launch.But thats not what I want to talk about, I have been involved in a discussion on challenge rating over at dicefreaks this past week...<a href="http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=7506" target="_blank">http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=7506</a>Maybe talking through some of the stuff will help me get a better handle of it.The initial question is what CR is the Infernal (from the ELH).Going over the stats, version 6 (in its current incarnation) suggests ECL 55 which means CR 37. That of course means that it would be an EASY encounter for a 37th-level Party. If we increase the EL so that the Infernal uses (roughly) 25% of the party's resources, it would be CR 24 (two-thirds of 37).Up to this point, everything looks rosy.However, what the above is suggesting is that a 55th-level character (with PC wealth no less) will only use 25% of a 24th-level Party's resources.But recent playtesting shows that one 36th-level PC is equal to x3.3 24th-level PC's and that one 48th-level PC is equal to x10 24th-level PC's. So somewhere the math is going screwy. The playtesting is right, so I must be confusing myself on one of the myriad ECL to CR changes (or something like that). Can anyone spot the obvious mistake? I can't see the wood for the trees at the moment.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 3533867, member: 326"] Hey all! :) Been a bit busy on the Ascension art as well as prepping a week of website updates in honour of the Bestiary launch. But thats not what I want to talk about, I have been involved in a discussion on challenge rating over at dicefreaks this past week... [url]http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=7506[/url] Maybe talking through some of the stuff will help me get a better handle of it. The initial question is what CR is the Infernal (from the ELH). Going over the stats, version 6 (in its current incarnation) suggests ECL 55 which means CR 37. That of course means that it would be an EASY encounter for a 37th-level Party. If we increase the EL so that the Infernal uses (roughly) 25% of the party's resources, it would be CR 24 (two-thirds of 37). Up to this point, everything looks rosy. However, what the above is suggesting is that a 55th-level character (with PC wealth no less) will only use 25% of a 24th-level Party's resources. But recent playtesting shows that one 36th-level PC is equal to x3.3 24th-level PC's and that one 48th-level PC is equal to x10 24th-level PC's. So somewhere the math is going screwy. The playtesting is right, so I must be confusing myself on one of the myriad ECL to CR changes (or something like that). Can anyone spot the obvious mistake? I can't see the wood for the trees at the moment. :confused: [/QUOTE]

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