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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 4158520" data-attributes="member: 463">Hi Kerrick mate! (Krust here)part of the problem is that you are using version 4 terminology - which I changed because it can become confusing.Basically version 4 says CR is ECL.Wrong (but the problem is version 4 not you).Okay, my CR/EL system determines ECL (not CR...forget what v4 says).So the Balor is ECL 33 (before the Silver Rule).Basically the 5/6ths rule is the amended Silver Rule in the document. Designed that way when I moved from a 5 feats = +1 ECL model to a 6 feats = +1 ECL model (I did this because after I worked out the character classes I found they were on average approx. 20% higher, or 1/6th)Therefore the Balor is ECL 27.5 (rounded down to 27). So the Balor should be an equal fight for a single (non min/maxed) PC of 27th-level. The Balor's CR would be 2/3rds its ECL, CR 18 in this case. Meaning that the Balor would be a  tough encounter for a party of four 18th-level characters (again non-min/maxed).Min/maxing (without finding some obviously broken rules loophole like the Hulking Hurler build) can give an approximate net benefit of between 10-30%.</blockquote>