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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 4248482" data-attributes="member: 4722">I've been working on the Leadership feat, and the cohort rules. Based on the sample creatures posted with the Epic Leadership feat, I've come up with the following formulae for level equivalence:Dragon: HD+8 (*guffaw*)Giant: 1/2 HD x3Magical beast: 1/2 HD x3 (I think - there are only two; hydra is 1/2 HD x3, and roc is 1/2 HD x3 +5)Outsider: 1/2 HD x4 (kind of.. astral deva is 1/2 HD x3 +2, and glabrezu is 1/2 HD x3 +5)So anyway, I set about using those as a guideline for setting level equivalents. I included aberration, monstrous humanoid, and undead, then came up with the following (rough) formulae:Aberration: 1/2 CR x3Dragon: 1/2 CR x3.75Giant: 1/2 CR x2.5Magical beast: 1/2 CR x2.75Monstrous humanoid: CROutsider, angel: 1/2 CR x3.5 +2Outsider, archon/guardinal: 1/2 CR x3.5 +1Outsider, all others: 1/2 CR x3.5Undead: 1/2 CR x3.25  Note that I'm using CR, not HD. Most of these are rough guesses based on relative power level of each type - obviously, dragons are at the top of the heap, with outsiders not far behind. I'm not too sure about aberrations and undead, comparison-wise, but I think undead hold the edge overall. Magical beasts beat out giants due to their magical abilities, and monstrous humanoids are down at the bottom because they have little besides class levels.I tested a few of these, just to look at the numbers. Pretty much anything of CR 12 or above (except monstrous humanoids) is going to be = L20 on the chart, which places it firmly in Epic Leadership territory (I think you recommended dropping the epic version; I'll probably do that too). With dragons, you won't be able to (reasonably) get anything above juvenile - a juvenile black dragon, frex, is 28th level, which requires a score of 46; a juvenile is 40th (score of 70). Same with outsiders - bone devil (CR 16) or maybe a glabrezu (CR 18) is about the best you could get; astral deva requires a score of 60; the other angels are well out of range (84 and 140).My question is, does this sound fairly reasonable? I want to be able to let PCs get cool cohorts like dragons they can ride, but without tossing balance out the window.</blockquote>

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