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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 4805357" data-attributes="member: 326">Hello there wizuriel! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />By, new to D&amp;D do you mean 3rd Edition (I presume?). If so, have you ever considered 4th Edition. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Ah yes, I see where you are going wrong...No worries dude....this is your mistake.You see, ECL 6 = CR 4, because CR is always 2/3rds ECL. So the 5 PCs are (for the purpose of that calculation) CR 20, not CR 30.CR 20 = EL 18, adjusted for 5 party members is EL 14 (-4).EL 14 = CR 10-11Its an easy mistake to make, and looking over Grim Tales its not immediately obvious where I explain CR = 2/3rds ECL. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :o"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" />Are you refering to changes being made in Version 6 of the CR/EL document? Where the CR*2 = EL+4 dynamic has been changed? If so, those changes only apply to party (or monster) numbers. So instead of this...CR 20 = EL 18, adjusted for 5 party members is EL 14 (-4). EL 14 = CR 10-11you would have this...CR 20 = EL 18, adjusted for 5 party members is EL 12 (-6). EL 12 = CR 7Hope that helps a bit.I'm happy to help you with any examples you might have until you get the hang of it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 4805357, member: 326"] Hello there wizuriel! :) By, new to D&D do you mean 3rd Edition (I presume?). If so, have you ever considered 4th Edition. ;) Ah yes, I see where you are going wrong... No worries dude. ...this is your mistake. You see, ECL 6 = CR 4, because CR is always 2/3rds ECL. So the 5 PCs are (for the purpose of that calculation) CR 20, not CR 30. CR 20 = EL 18, adjusted for 5 party members is EL 14 (-4). EL 14 = CR 10-11 Its an easy mistake to make, and looking over Grim Tales its not immediately obvious where I explain CR = 2/3rds ECL. :o Are you refering to changes being made in Version 6 of the CR/EL document? Where the CR*2 = EL+4 dynamic has been changed? If so, those changes only apply to party (or monster) numbers. So instead of this... CR 20 = EL 18, adjusted for 5 party members is EL 14 (-4). EL 14 = CR 10-11 you would have this... CR 20 = EL 18, adjusted for 5 party members is EL 12 (-6). EL 12 = CR 7 Hope that helps a bit. I'm happy to help you with any examples you might have until you get the hang of it. :) [/QUOTE]

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