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<blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 4811629" data-attributes="member: 4722">Wait a minute. V5 says that &quot;For those people who wish to use the Silver Rule:Monster ECL (without PC equipment)If CR &lt; 20: Monster (CR Result -1) x0.85.If CR &gt; 19: Monster CR Result -4.The examples you give are the babau (ECL 11, ((CR Result 14.115 - 1) x 0.85)), and the pit fiend (ECL 41 (CR Result 45.179-4))So, from this, it would appear that I really screwed the pooch. The way I understood it (and how I've been doing it) is:Find the CR Result.Apply the Golden Rule.Apply the Silver Rule (if GR is &gt;20, subtract 3; if it's under, multiply by 0.85).Multiply the Silver Rule result by 1.52 to get the ECL (since CR = 2/3 ECL)<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad&nbsp; &nbsp; :mad:"&nbsp; data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> If you hadn't mentioned this, I never would have caught it. Although... shouldn't we be using the Golden Rule instead of the initial CR result, since class levels/HD should always comprise 50%+ of a creature's CR? This should apply to ECL too, right?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kerrick, post: 4811629, member: 4722"] Wait a minute. V5 says that "For those people who wish to use the Silver Rule: Monster ECL (without PC equipment) If CR < 20: Monster (CR Result -1) x0.85. If CR > 19: Monster CR Result -4. The examples you give are the babau (ECL 11, ((CR Result 14.115 - 1) x 0.85)), and the pit fiend (ECL 41 (CR Result 45.179-4)) So, from this, it would appear that I really screwed the pooch. The way I understood it (and how I've been doing it) is: Find the CR Result. Apply the Golden Rule. Apply the Silver Rule (if GR is >20, subtract 3; if it's under, multiply by 0.85). Multiply the Silver Rule result by 1.52 to get the ECL (since CR = 2/3 ECL) :mad: If you hadn't mentioned this, I never would have caught it. Although... shouldn't we be using the Golden Rule instead of the initial CR result, since class levels/HD should always comprise 50%+ of a creature's CR? This should apply to ECL too, right? [/QUOTE]

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