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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3427224" data-attributes="member: 141">I'm trying to understand what happens for non-epic monsters.  Generic ones, insofar as this is possible, not ones that have an achilles heel that another monster can exploit.  You mean multiply by 2/3, right? To go from v5 to v6?  So the numbers get smaller?  Is that all you did with the v5 numbers (Undead and equipment using monsters excepted)?I don't understand. What happens if I take four CR 9 monsters and pit them against various CR 18 monster (all CRs from v5)?  The little monsters are chosen to have a variety of talents, and the results are averaged (so the result is as generic as possible); do the big monsters almost always prevail?  And does it turn out that you need eight CR 9 monsters to prevail against a CR 18 monster?I was under the impression that the monster CRs in v5 obeyed the CR x 2 = EL + 4 rule.  And so in a fight club setting you'd need 4 monsters of CR X to defeat one monster of CR 2X.    Is that not the case?  Do the monsters in v5 instead obey the rule that CR x 2 = EL + 6?  And so you need 8 monsters of CR X to defeat one monster of CR 2X?</blockquote>