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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 1330829" data-attributes="member: 151">Well, I suggest you read PC's story hour, Sepulchrave's story hour, and my story hour, for examples of high-level parties and how to challenge them.  I've addressed this issue in other threads, and can bring you a link to a previous thread where I covered it much more extensively, if you want. Cliff notes version: A CR 20 lich is not going to tax a group of 19th-20th level players unless they're unprepared for him and/or have had their resources already taxed.  A full-powered party at this level will be quite powerful, and will easily be able to handle a CR 23+ encounter, if they're prepared or have enough resources to meet the challenge. That Lich could be destroyed by a single failed save, for example.  The wizard can use Imprisonment on the lich, and gain the party several buffing rounds and the opportunity to defend themselves, for example, and there's no save.  Disintegrate could do it, or a variety of high-level spells.  To make him a capstone encounter, you want to either have him allied with quite a few powerful mooks, or have him encountered in an entrenched environment, where he can really turn the situation to his advantage. High-level PCs can do some amazing things, and you need to either consider all of their spells and equipment, and tailor the encounter against them...OR you design the encounter to be strong, and completely ignore the players abilities, and merely make it a challenging encounter for the appropriate CR, with appropriate modifiers. Note, for example, that the Githyanki Lich Queen from 'Lich Queen's Beloved' in Dungeon #100 is a CR 26 encounter, not including facing her on her home ground, where she has prepared the environment to her liking.  You'll see a similar approach in "Bastion of Broken Souls", where there are several CR 23 and CR 26 encounters for the PCs to face.</blockquote>

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