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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grim" data-source="post: 165910" data-attributes="member: 132">i'm thinking of something really creepy, and i think I hit on it... you know how undead dont have inteligence scores...well they do have charisma.MWWAHAHAHAHAHWhat if there was a reasonably high level, female undead bard. She sings death chants. Really well. AND can do nasty things to the party with her songs and spells. Charm... facinate... the possiblitys are endless. AND with the right skills and feats, she doesn't even need to do that, with her bluff, diplomacy, and other charisma based skills off the charts with something like +30 or 40...the really devious thing would be for her to facinate the entire party, and have her be like those poison gas filled mooks, but have the gas be something invisible, or rather harmless. THat way, everyone is entranced by her song, and they dont really notice when their teammates start coughing up their lungs and turning inside out because the DC to notice is really high...or to use the suggestion bard skill to make a party member rebel, or distrust, or decide that the map he made is wrong and burn it, or that the powerful artifact/important document they have is really worth smashing into little bits.another thing would to allow the bard's inspire greatness or inspire courage ability add major turn ressistance to her allies.bardic knowledge could be useful to... if the bard had an inteligence score.or they could just start busting out sixth level bard spells, like mass haste, greater dispelling, or veil (oohh... that last one is nasty. Send a whole bunch of medusas at them, illusionarilly disguised as ghouls that arnt wanting to be turned. When they get close enough and start entering melee... BOOM! the veil over those 8 "ghouls" you are fighting is gone... please make eight fortitude saves (DC 15)... one is bound to fail. Hey... now its time for the mage to waste valuable spell slots on stone to flesh... oops, now he doesnt have firepower anymore... oops...OR is that to evil?</blockquote>

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