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<blockquote data-quote="Seule" data-source="post: 2411693" data-attributes="member: 407">Okay, so I should have looked up the creature before posting.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp;Hmm, the Worms predate the gods.&nbsp; Do they predate Demons and Devils?&nbsp; Maybe some of those have useful information.&nbsp; Elementals also have no specific lifespan.&nbsp; Heck, there might well be some really old fey that would have info, I suggest the Epic Level Handbook is full of ancient creatures.&nbsp; Then again, there's that PrC for mind-flayers in Savage Species (IIRC) that allows them to absorb knowledge from victims.&nbsp; Perhaps one of those got to some sage, and the PCs now have to negotiate with an abomination?&nbsp; Or maybe a Neh-Thalggu from (again) ELH.Then, as well, there's the Worms themselves, presumably trying to squash knowledge of their own past.&nbsp; They might well use agents (like they used Stone Bear), perhaps a Vermiurge or a Worm that Walks (ELH again) would do?&nbsp; I'd really like to see a Worm that Walks using the Engulf attack on Agar (or maybe Cruciel).&nbsp; I suspect he'd have nightmares for years.&nbsp;...why do I seem to have one specific book on the brain?&nbsp; Oh well.&nbsp;I do strongly suggest that at least one source of information they find have deliberate misinformation.&nbsp; It's no fun unless the PCs realize at the last minute that things are going horribly wrong.&nbsp; &quot;What, you mean common salt won't kill it on contact?&nbsp; Oh noes!&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; --Seule</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Seule, post: 2411693, member: 407"] Okay, so I should have looked up the creature before posting. :) Hmm, the Worms predate the gods. Do they predate Demons and Devils? Maybe some of those have useful information. Elementals also have no specific lifespan. Heck, there might well be some really old fey that would have info, I suggest the Epic Level Handbook is full of ancient creatures. Then again, there's that PrC for mind-flayers in Savage Species (IIRC) that allows them to absorb knowledge from victims. Perhaps one of those got to some sage, and the PCs now have to negotiate with an abomination? Or maybe a Neh-Thalggu from (again) ELH. Then, as well, there's the Worms themselves, presumably trying to squash knowledge of their own past. They might well use agents (like they used Stone Bear), perhaps a Vermiurge or a Worm that Walks (ELH again) would do? I'd really like to see a Worm that Walks using the Engulf attack on Agar (or maybe Cruciel). I suspect he'd have nightmares for years. ...why do I seem to have one specific book on the brain? Oh well. I do strongly suggest that at least one source of information they find have deliberate misinformation. It's no fun unless the PCs realize at the last minute that things are going horribly wrong. "What, you mean common salt won't kill it on contact? Oh noes!" --Seule [/QUOTE]

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