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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 2452433" data-attributes="member: 3051">Yes, posting again, I'm at work and got bored.  Just went back and re-read the seer's actual words that you posted in the SH:<a href="http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=259124&postcount=218" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=259124&postcount=218</a>Specifically, this paragraph:"But the First God Abbath called to him his love Aedrae and her clever friend Trea, and showed them the world, and showed them the worms and the mumbling dead. It was Trea the clever, Trea the Deceiver, who thought of the plan. It was she who tricked the worms, and convinced them to trust her, and soon all but two were locked in a red prison where they would never escape. The Gods set the lock in stone and breathed life into the key. And they looked upon the worm-riddled world, and Abbath breathed upon it. He fathered a child with his wife, and called him Aeos, and lifted the incandescent child into the heavens. There, the Godling ignited the endless night and brought the sun to a world that knew only darkness, and he forged chains of light to bind the last two worms within the earth. The dead were burned from the pitted world, and the globe was made anew."Okay, the elf might not have been perfect.  He DID say that Aeos was the one who locked the last two worms down, after all, and you're saying that it was heroes who did it (or maybe they did all the dangerous work, but needed him to finish the job by putting a lock on the door?).  But the rest of this fits pretty well with the concept I mentioned in the last post; the seer said that Abbath breathed on it and fathered children, but you could always say that it actually happened the other way around, and that Abbath "breathing" on the world could simply be a misinterpretation of an event so far beyond mortals as to be unintelligible.  And this does explain why the lower tiers of your pantheon are worshipped so heavily; by the time worshippers actually started appearing, there was no overshadowing Zeus/Odin father to keep them all in check.Incidentally, this led me to thinking; you can't really worship a god that's dead, so who's been worshipping Abbath as the God of Explorers?  Under normal circumstances, it'd be pretty clear to the priests when a deity dies.  But if Abbath didn't entirely die, like we've mentioned, then he'd be in a more indeterminate state for that; he wouldn't be able to grant divine power directly (i.e. spells), but he WOULD be able to give power in a more passive sense (spell-less Paladins?  PrCs?), along with the occasional miracle.  And who'd worship a God of Explorers?  Bards, Rangers, wanderers in general (Horizon Walkers!)... exactly the sort of people that a half-awake god bonded to the planet would be most connected to, and still be able to grant power to.  So in that sense, he's a perfect match.  The "official" churches might think he's dead, since no one's ever been able to call on him directly, but there are always stories of prayers to him being answered...But there's something I've been stuck on for a while.  If Abbath, Aedrae, and Trea were the first gods of post-Worm Spira, and created the lizards and such... where'd the gods of the other races come in?  You've mentioned the Dwarven gods (like Moradin), plus gods of the Illithids, and even Mog, the Beetle God.  Did they all show up after Abbath and company had done the hard work, and set up their own little domains?  (Was it just that they, like Abbath, already existed on the outer planes before Spira was born?)  Why is it that Humans and Elves worship the descendants of the creator god, but no one else seems to?And if you want to get really nasty to the players: when Galanna killed Imbindarla, there were all sorts of calamities.  What'd happen if one Illithid god killed the other?  The main races would never even know there was a problem until all sorts of horrible things started happening.</blockquote>

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