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<blockquote data-quote="Piratecat" data-source="post: 769429" data-attributes="member: 2">Keep in mind that this encounter was only SUPPOSED to last a few rounds; it had to clearly be deadly, but not be &quot;tricksy.&quot; The group really needed something to pound on, and this fit perfectly - as well as setting the stage for something a few months down the line. The thurn was a monster that should have been able to stop almost anyone -- and, as I wanted it to feel, the Defenders were the one exception. Matt, I generally approximate CRs. I tend to use intuition and experience a lot more, though. the other problem is that there just isn't that many things in the world that are as tough as the PCs.&nbsp; That means that I'm forced to use weaker creatures creatively with some deadly combinations and an occasional badass sprinkled in to keep the group honest.&nbsp; Wulf is bringing more tactical thinking to the group, so I'm changing my style a bit. Everyone says the CR system breaks down at high levels, and that's generally true! I'm learning that whoever has prep time has a tremendous advantage, and whoever gets ambushed is very badly off.Note that although the party is large, they're right where they should be treasure-wise. I was astonished when I did the math.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Piratecat, post: 769429, member: 2"] Keep in mind that this encounter was only SUPPOSED to last a few rounds; it had to clearly be deadly, but not be "tricksy." The group really needed something to pound on, and this fit perfectly - as well as setting the stage for something a few months down the line. The thurn was a monster that should have been able to stop almost anyone -- and, as I wanted it to feel, the Defenders were the one exception. Matt, I generally approximate CRs. I tend to use intuition and experience a lot more, though. the other problem is that there just isn't that many things in the world that are as tough as the PCs. That means that I'm forced to use weaker creatures creatively with some deadly combinations and an occasional badass sprinkled in to keep the group honest. Wulf is bringing more tactical thinking to the group, so I'm changing my style a bit. Everyone says the CR system breaks down at high levels, and that's generally true! I'm learning that whoever has prep time has a tremendous advantage, and whoever gets ambushed is very badly off. Note that although the party is large, they're right where they should be treasure-wise. I was astonished when I did the math. :) [/QUOTE]

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