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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gabrion" data-source="post: 2394377" data-attributes="member: 30779">Well just remember that the post I was repsonding to was calling finesse fighters underpowered.  I never claimed the swashbuckler guy would be amazing, but underpowered is definately not the way to describe him.  Since you did such an injustice in your explaination though, let me say a few things.One point to keep in mind is that via point buy it is far easier to get a character with multiple mid/high stats than one or two really high ones.  Since the fighter will require a high STR to do a lot of damage, having to pump a bunch of points in it will be much more taxing than having the swashbuckler raise multiple abilities, all of which will eventually add to his damage.  This is an automatic advantage for the finesse fighter.  Also on stats, your comparison was really unfair with the "standard array."  I think a better example would be using 28 point buy which could give him 14s in STR, DEX, CON, and INT, with a 10 in WIS and 8 in CHA.  That gives him a total of +6 to damage, while the fighter, if he is willing to spend over half his points to max strength and wields a two handed weapon would do the same. The same logic holds later on when it comes to buying items, it is a lot cheaper for the finesse guy.  Why?  Well the fighter has to buy a belt of STR +6 for 36,000 to add 4 points of damage, while the swashbuckler can add gloves of DEX +2, belt of STR +2, and headband of INT +2 for 12,000 gp, adding 3 points of damage.  Or if he spends as much as the fighter, he can increase damage output by 6 points.  The fact is that having muliple abilities add to damage is far more efficient.  Lets not forget that while we are discussing damage output, this game also has other aspects, such as skills.  The swashbuckler shines here as well. If we are going to talk finesse fighters we should give a shout out to the Iajutsu Master too, but I don't think that is really fair.  In any case, I still maintain that finesse fighters don't own the game by any means, but a comment about them being underpowered shows a lack of understanding.</blockquote>

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