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<blockquote data-quote="gabrion" data-source="post: 2397908" data-attributes="member: 30779">Well I think we are mostly in agreement (there are viable ways to make each kind of fighter), but I just had a few things to say...He gets it at second level, IIRC, which is still pretty early.&nbsp; Of course since you can't get into the PrC until 7th level, this is a bit of a setback.Well using the item creation rules he can just put the item in a belt spot, since it matches the affinity.I think I understood what you were saying here, but how does the fighter have an advantage?&nbsp; He adds STR to attack and damage, whereas the CoC adds DEX to attack plus DEX, INT, and STR to damage, as well as DEX to AC.&nbsp; The CoC only adds one ability to his attacks, but so does the fighter, right?&nbsp; The difference is how many abilities they add to damage.The whole point is that it is cheaper for the swash/CoC than for the fighter.&nbsp; So the fighter only buys a +4 belt and then buys a +1 flaming shock weapon, giving +11 to damage for about 34,000.&nbsp; The finesse guy can still buy the three +2 items and the +1 flaming shock weapon, adding 11 to damage, and it will only cost 30,000.&nbsp; Barbs have 4+Int skill points each level and usually don't focus on INT.&nbsp; Paladins have 2+Int and also can't afford to put many points into Int.&nbsp; Swashbucklers get 6+Int and usually have a high Int to boot, since it is important for them.Ya, I guess it is a lot easier to make a badass smash things fighter than it is to make a finesse one (at least the rules seem to provide easier ways for the smashy type), and many people don't bother.&nbsp; That said, it either option is obviously viable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gabrion, post: 2397908, member: 30779"] Well I think we are mostly in agreement (there are viable ways to make each kind of fighter), but I just had a few things to say... He gets it at second level, IIRC, which is still pretty early. Of course since you can't get into the PrC until 7th level, this is a bit of a setback. Well using the item creation rules he can just put the item in a belt spot, since it matches the affinity. I think I understood what you were saying here, but how does the fighter have an advantage? He adds STR to attack and damage, whereas the CoC adds DEX to attack plus DEX, INT, and STR to damage, as well as DEX to AC. The CoC only adds one ability to his attacks, but so does the fighter, right? The difference is how many abilities they add to damage. The whole point is that it is cheaper for the swash/CoC than for the fighter. So the fighter only buys a +4 belt and then buys a +1 flaming shock weapon, giving +11 to damage for about 34,000. The finesse guy can still buy the three +2 items and the +1 flaming shock weapon, adding 11 to damage, and it will only cost 30,000. Barbs have 4+Int skill points each level and usually don't focus on INT. Paladins have 2+Int and also can't afford to put many points into Int. Swashbucklers get 6+Int and usually have a high Int to boot, since it is important for them. Ya, I guess it is a lot easier to make a badass smash things fighter than it is to make a finesse one (at least the rules seem to provide easier ways for the smashy type), and many people don't bother. That said, it either option is obviously viable. [/QUOTE]

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