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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 2398106" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>The argument you were making is that a champion of Corellon can get the same result from a +2 dex, +2 int, and +2 str that a fighter gets from +6 str. Now, he gets the same damage (against crittable foes) from that, but he only gets +1 to hit.</p><p></p><p>So, while adding more abilities to damage never hurts, it's not as advantageous to have one point of damage from each of three abilities as it is to have three points of attack and 4-5 points of damage from one ability. At the high end, a Champion of Correllon can have +6 str, +6 dex, and +6 int items yielding a six point damage advantage. However, he can't duplicate the utility of a +6 str item by adding to his dex and int.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You know, I think you should be right, but every time I run the numbers, the finesse guy is coming out behind. In this case, he's even on damage, but behind by one point in the attack department. Since we're talking two-handed weapons and power attack is a given, that makes him behind by two points of damage.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>In my copy of Complete Warrior, swashbucklers get 4+Int skill points. I'll give you the int, but you need to keep in mind that the swashbuckler/fighter/champion of Corellon being discussed here has to be an elf or half elf and has to take four levels of fighter, so unless Champion of Correllon gives 6 skillpoints/level, he's not going to be terribly impressive in terms of skills. His skillpoint total is likely to come out only slightly ahead of a human fighter and even with a human fighter who started off with two barbarian levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And finesse fighters tend to have a bit of trouble against undead too.</p><p></p><p>However, I suspect that the Champion of Correllon will come out a lot better if he's compared to a fighter who uses a one-handed weapon and with the ability to ignore the max dex on armor, he probably performs really well in the sword and board tank role. Depending upon the wording of his dex to damage ability, he may also perform very well in the two weapon fighting style.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 2398106, member: 3146"] The argument you were making is that a champion of Corellon can get the same result from a +2 dex, +2 int, and +2 str that a fighter gets from +6 str. Now, he gets the same damage (against crittable foes) from that, but he only gets +1 to hit. So, while adding more abilities to damage never hurts, it's not as advantageous to have one point of damage from each of three abilities as it is to have three points of attack and 4-5 points of damage from one ability. At the high end, a Champion of Correllon can have +6 str, +6 dex, and +6 int items yielding a six point damage advantage. However, he can't duplicate the utility of a +6 str item by adding to his dex and int. You know, I think you should be right, but every time I run the numbers, the finesse guy is coming out behind. In this case, he's even on damage, but behind by one point in the attack department. Since we're talking two-handed weapons and power attack is a given, that makes him behind by two points of damage. In my copy of Complete Warrior, swashbucklers get 4+Int skill points. I'll give you the int, but you need to keep in mind that the swashbuckler/fighter/champion of Corellon being discussed here has to be an elf or half elf and has to take four levels of fighter, so unless Champion of Correllon gives 6 skillpoints/level, he's not going to be terribly impressive in terms of skills. His skillpoint total is likely to come out only slightly ahead of a human fighter and even with a human fighter who started off with two barbarian levels. And finesse fighters tend to have a bit of trouble against undead too. However, I suspect that the Champion of Correllon will come out a lot better if he's compared to a fighter who uses a one-handed weapon and with the ability to ignore the max dex on armor, he probably performs really well in the sword and board tank role. Depending upon the wording of his dex to damage ability, he may also perform very well in the two weapon fighting style. [/QUOTE]
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