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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fedifensor" data-source="post: 3413628" data-attributes="member: 7289">Go to any number of martial arts exhibitions around the country, and you'll see guys breaking bricks in half - without superpowers.  Not to mention that this is a genre where a man can throw a shield, knock out three goons, then catch that shield again - all without anything more than intensive training.  I bet if you search through enough Daredevil comics, you'll find him breaking through a brick wall (maybe using his special senses to find the weak spot).  Batman has probably done the same.I don't know why you keep going back to the "characters don't stray far from the median".  There are more 'steps' in the typical Champions range of 7d6 to 14d6 (14 counting +1/2d6, or 21 if you include the +1 option from Ultimate Brick).  In a typical PL 10 game of M&M, the damage range available to characters is less than 14 steps.  So I'm not getting where M&M has the advantage.  Sure, a lucky roll could have a street thug drop anyone without Impervious defenses in M&M...but I see that as a weakness of the system, not a strength.There are many villains that have low enough defenses to be stunned with a lucky roll.  I remember one time when a martial artist did over 40 STUN with an 8d6 attack - enough to punch through the bad guy's defenses and stun him.Also remember that defenses aren't always force fields or invulnerability - take a look at "Combat Luck" in the 5E book.  It helps prevent one-shotting the bad guy...how many comics do you read where the hero faces his archnemesis, and drops him with a single swing?They're as diverse as M&M characters.  Moreso, actually, since its a more complex system.  The downside is the extra time it takes to generate characters, but I feel it's worth it.  If you prefer a simpler system that runs faster, then HERO probably isn't for you.  But saying that you can't reflect the superhero genre properly with Champions is simply untrue.</blockquote>

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