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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BkMamba" data-source="post: 3417670" data-attributes="member: 50861">I believe you are obfuscating certain points but you are not taking the total picture into account. As I have said several times, Spider-man's resistance to getting hit is more then just his Defense Ability. If you give Spidey either of the Powers I discussed above it completely changes the context. A Spider-man with the Displacement Power means he is missed 50% of the time no matter what Wolverine's Attack value is. A Spider-man with Deflect (Free Action) means he automatically gets a chance to avoid the Damage of every attack made against him. So how many lines of defense does Spider-man need? He has a very high Defense, he has the Toughness roll - not to mention a Hero Point to re-roll, and he has Deflect and/or Displacement to also increase his chances of not getting hit. That is about as unhittable as anyone can get. And I will also restate here - since you seemed to avoid it in the last post - that Spider-man always gets hit by people in his Rogue's Gallery who are the same PL as him if he is not actively trying to avoid getting hit by doing Defensive Attack or Total Defense. I mean come on. An old man with mechanical wings can punch him. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />What do you think Spider-man's DCV is in Champions? I have him at a 12 base, +5 from Spider-Sense, and up to +5 more from Martial Arts for a Martial Dodge total of 22. With Spider-man using Defensive Strike he has a 20 DCV. My Wolverine has a 16 OCV with his claws. 7 or less and Spidey is hit. Even there Spider-man is not unhittable and you get your "bloodbath." I personally think the point you are really confusing is game mechanics versus writer's fiat. In the comics Spider-man is unhittable because panel by panel the writer decides whether Spidey gets hit or not. In a game it is determined randomly. It does not matter whether you are playing Champions, M&M, or some other superhero game system. In all of them Wolverine is going to have a chance to hit Spider-man. The game is not the comic.</blockquote>

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