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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 8904802" data-attributes="member: 7035894">Lanefan, you are at least putting forth an argument, which I take to be something like (correct me if I misrepresent):1. There might be instances where players might take a low charisma yet also want their character to be very physically attractive.2. This is a problem because some of these same players might expect to get actual in-game advantages based simply on their character's physical attractiveness, despite a low charisma.My first question is: what makes charisma different from any of the other abilities in this regard? Indeed, isn't the prime culprit for this sort of behaviour Intelligence, not Charisma? Players are forever taking Intelligence as a dump stat yet playing their character as a super sleuth or whatever.My second question is: Where is the DM? When it is time for a charisma check, say to try to influence an NPC, physical attractiveness does not affect the roll. So if that player tries to claim an advantage for their role-play decision to have their character be super hot, the correct response is &quot;it doesn't work that way.&quot;To me, this is similar to a player claiming that their character comes from a really wealthy family and therefore receives a weekly stipend of 100 gold, or comes from an ancient line of warriors and thus starts with a legendary weapon that has been passed down. The game just doesn't work that way. You don't get to give yourself in-game advantages just based on your character description.Unless the DM wants to allow it, which trumps everything else.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 8904802, member: 7035894"] Lanefan, you are at least putting forth an argument, which I take to be something like (correct me if I misrepresent): 1. There might be instances where players might take a low charisma yet also want their character to be very physically attractive. 2. This is a problem because some of these same players might expect to get actual in-game advantages based simply on their character's physical attractiveness, despite a low charisma. My first question is: what makes charisma different from any of the other abilities in this regard? Indeed, isn't the prime culprit for this sort of behaviour Intelligence, not Charisma? Players are forever taking Intelligence as a dump stat yet playing their character as a super sleuth or whatever. My second question is: Where is the DM? When it is time for a charisma check, say to try to influence an NPC, physical attractiveness does not affect the roll. So if that player tries to claim an advantage for their role-play decision to have their character be super hot, the correct response is "it doesn't work that way." To me, this is similar to a player claiming that their character comes from a really wealthy family and therefore receives a weekly stipend of 100 gold, or comes from an ancient line of warriors and thus starts with a legendary weapon that has been passed down. The game just doesn't work that way. You don't get to give yourself in-game advantages just based on your character description. Unless the DM wants to allow it, which trumps everything else. [/QUOTE]

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