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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 8928170" data-attributes="member: 7035894">Thank you for pointing out that you did address the problem of a universal definition of beauty in your OP, but you did not actually solve that problem. Your response, to paraphrase,&quot; is that &quot;there must be a solution because there is no evidence that all these disparate creatures think of each other as ugly.&quot;I'm setting aside your assertion that &quot;of all the adventure paths and NPCs created by WotC, there is never a character that spouts [insults about another species being ugly]&quot; because neither you nor I can feasibly check that claim, though the burden of proof would be much easier for me, since I would just have to find one example.But your claim itself is an assertion, not an argument. One issue is that you don't actually present any positive evidence for your claim, and your contention that there is an absence of counter evidence could be explained in many ways that do not lead to your conclusion that there must be a universal standard of beauty. For example, how much extraneous dialogue in general do adventure paths contain? As well, maybe (probably) in a world full of disparate sentient creatures they have generally learned that what is attractive to them is not what is attractive to others, and so there is no point in an Elf commenting that, say, a Tortle is not sexy to them because duh.The other issue, is that if there is some such undefinable universal standard for beauty, the fact that neither you nor I can say what it is means that it could be anything. Which again takes us back to letting the player decide.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 8928170, member: 7035894"] Thank you for pointing out that you did address the [I]problem[/I] of a universal definition of beauty in your OP, but you did not actually solve that problem. Your response, to paraphrase," is that "there must be a solution because there is no evidence that all these disparate creatures think of each other as ugly." I'm setting aside your assertion that "of all the adventure paths and NPCs created by WotC, there is never a character that spouts [insults about another species being ugly]" because neither you nor I can feasibly check that claim, though the burden of proof would be much easier for me, since I would just have to find one example. But your claim itself is an assertion, not an argument. One issue is that you don't actually present any positive evidence for your claim, and your contention that there is an absence of counter evidence could be explained in many ways that do not lead to your conclusion that there must be a universal standard of beauty. For example, how much extraneous dialogue in general do adventure paths contain? As well, maybe (probably) in a world full of disparate sentient creatures they have generally learned that what is attractive to them is not what is attractive to others, and so there is no point in an Elf commenting that, say, a Tortle is not sexy to them because duh. The other issue, is that if there is some such undefinable universal standard for beauty, the fact that neither you nor I can say what it is means that it could be anything. Which again takes us back to letting the player decide. [/QUOTE]

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