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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8928248" data-attributes="member: 6901101">As I have stated a dozen times. The hag, the beholder, etc. That is because the other parts of the definition make it viable. But it does not make it for characters to say they have high charisma because they are beautiful. Measurements using strength in D&amp;D are numerous and diverse - hence, the definition they use. The lone skill attached to the ability offers these examples in the PHB:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">climbing a sheer or slippery cliff</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">jump an unusually long distance</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">struggle to swim in treacherous current</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">break free of bonds</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">push through a tunnel that is too small</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">force open a lock or door</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">hang on to a wagon</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">tip over a statue</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">keep a boulder from rolling</li>
</ul>Many of these require different types of strength, ones that match the diverse definition of strength; pushing through tight passages, breaking bonds, swimming, and climbing are just the ones they listed that don't require powerlifting capabilities. [MEDIA=youtube]9kV8ZLMrUW0[/MEDIA]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scott Christian, post: 8928248, member: 6901101"] As I have stated a dozen times. The hag, the beholder, etc. That is because the [I]other[/I] parts of the definition make it viable. But it does not make it for characters to say they have high charisma [I]because they are beautiful[/I]. Measurements using strength in D&D are numerous and diverse - hence, the definition they use. The lone skill attached to the ability offers these examples in the PHB: [LIST] [*]climbing a sheer or slippery cliff [*]jump an unusually long distance [*]struggle to swim in treacherous current [*]break free of bonds [*]push through a tunnel that is too small [*]force open a lock or door [*]hang on to a wagon [*]tip over a statue [*]keep a boulder from rolling [/LIST] Many of these require different types of strength, ones that match the diverse definition of strength; pushing through tight passages, breaking bonds, swimming, and climbing are just the ones they listed that don't require powerlifting capabilities. [MEDIA=youtube]9kV8ZLMrUW0[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]

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