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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 8928265" data-attributes="member: 7035894">What makes it logically wrong is that charisma has an objective value in D&amp;D. It is quantifiable. Beauty, as we have pretty clearly established, is subjective. So making beauty the basis of your charisma becomes nonsensical, unless we want to work out the character's charisma relative to each and every encounter. Because I am pretty sure that your flowing blonde locks and voluptuous curves, or whatever, aren't going to impress that intelligent ooze you are trying to persuade, so if that's all you've got going for you, then sorry but your charisma is a &quot;3&quot; for this roll.Not to mention the weird, weird idea that a warlock is good at magic because he is totally ripped, or something. I think this player has not thought through the implications of their concept of charisma.And that's setting aside what makes it morally wrong: that telling players that they can have &quot;high charisma because they are beautiful&quot; is a terrible, terrible message. In the real world, kids getting fixated on the message that what matters most is how they look causes horrible psychological damage. Every high school, every year, deals with numerous kids who are doing serious damage to themselves because they get this message all too often and believe it all too much. Does it need to get it's grubby little fingers into their escapist fantasy worlds, even a little bit? Do we really need even the suggestion of it in the rules of the game?Why?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 8928265, member: 7035894"] What makes it logically wrong is that charisma has an objective value in D&D. It is quantifiable. Beauty, as we have pretty clearly established, is subjective. So making beauty the basis of your charisma becomes nonsensical, unless we want to work out the character's charisma relative to each and every encounter. Because I am pretty sure that your flowing blonde locks and voluptuous curves, or whatever, aren't going to impress that intelligent ooze you are trying to persuade, so if that's all you've got going for you, then sorry but your charisma is a "3" for this roll. Not to mention the weird, weird idea that a warlock is good at magic because he is totally ripped, or something. I think this player has not thought through the implications of their concept of charisma. And that's setting aside what makes it morally wrong: that telling players that they can have "high charisma [I]because they are beautiful" [/I]is a terrible, terrible message. In the real world, kids getting fixated on the message that what matters most is how they look causes horrible psychological damage. Every high school, every year, deals with numerous kids who are doing serious damage to themselves because they get this message all too often and believe it all too much. Does it need to get it's grubby little fingers into their escapist fantasy worlds, even a little bit? Do we really need even the suggestion of it in the rules of the game? [I]Why?[/I] [/QUOTE]

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