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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8928396" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Yes it is.  It very much correlates to gender and it correlates even when blocked for similar size individuals.Further in terms of comparisons, being beautiful or ugly would be tied to Charisma far, far less than gender would be tied to strength.Being a woman does not automatically make one weaker, and being ugly does not automatically (or I would argue even generally) make one more charismatic.But social norms is what we are talking about here.  Wven if it is entirely a social construct it is still true. The idea that pretty people are more Charismatic would be a social construct too.  Yet people on this thread are arguing this social construct should be rolled into the Charisma score.  So even if the general strength disparity between men and woman in general is actually a social construct, that would not be an argument against inclusion in an effort to make the game more representative of real life. What I have said and I what is undeniably true - Gender correlates to strength far better than beauty correlates to Charisma. I said size not muscle mass.  If you compare men and women of similar size (height and weight) men will typically have a higher muscle mass than women of equivalent size and women will typically have a higher body fat content.That is typical, it is not always true, but it is true far more than the idea that pretty people are more charismatic.Ok, there are lots of problems with this.  First off testosterone does not just affect growth, it affects muscle growth.Second this would be a differentiator in terms of sex. But it would only correlate to gender because sex correlates to gender.  However, there are gender variances in strength even when looking at members of the same sex.  For example biological men who identify as men will typically be stronger than biological men who identify as woman if of similar size and build.  That is due to an entirely social construct, but it is one that is largely true even when looking at individuals of the same biological sex (perhaps for some of the reasons you note).The correlation is real though.  If we are making the game more real shouldn't we include it if we are going to include beauty as part of Charisma?</blockquote>

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