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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8928519" data-attributes="member: 6779196">Yes of course it correlates, my argument was that you’re mistaking correlation for causation.Again, strength is not tied to gender. It is tied to muscle mass, which sex has an impact on, and so in that way you could say it’s indirectly tied to sex.True.There’s a difference between saying there are social expectations related to strength and gender and saying strength is tied to gender. The former is accurate, the latter is not.I’m not.Ok? So?I’d stick with using the term “is correlated with” rather than “is tied to.” The latter is making a stronger assertion than it sounds like you may be meaning to make.What I sad was muscle mass, and more specifically I said mass in specific muscle groups.It affects the growth of all sorts of things, which yes, does include muscles.Correct.That depends on a lot of factors, a significant one of which is that trans women (the more accurate term than “men who identify as women”) will often undergo hormone replacement, and though that has a significantly smaller effect post-puberty, it still does have a measurable one. Regardless, this only establishes a correlation between gender and strength, it does not indicate causation.I don’t think we should include either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8928519, member: 6779196"] Yes of course it [I]correlates[/I], my argument was that you’re mistaking correlation for causation. Again, strength is not tied to gender. It is tied to muscle mass, which sex has an impact on, and so in that way you could say it’s indirectly tied to sex. True. There’s a difference between saying there are social expectations related to strength and gender and saying strength is tied to gender. The former is accurate, the latter is not. I’m not. Ok? So? I’d stick with using the term “is correlated with” rather than “is tied to.” The latter is making a stronger assertion than it sounds like you may be meaning to make. What [I]I[/I] sad was muscle mass, and more specifically I said mass in specific muscle groups. It affects the growth of all sorts of things, which yes, does include muscles. Correct. That depends on a lot of factors, a significant one of which is that trans women (the more accurate term than “men who identify as women”) will often undergo hormone replacement, and though that has a significantly smaller effect post-puberty, it still does have a measurable one. Regardless, this only establishes a correlation between gender and strength, it does not indicate causation. I don’t think we should include either. [/QUOTE]

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