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<blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 3080223" data-attributes="member: 35788"><p>By the RAW, this doesn't work. The rules clearly say that you cannot change a feat that is a prerequisite for another feat. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You need to work down the chain removing the latter feats first. So ...</p><p></p><p>You cannot swap WF(greatsword) for WF(glaive) because it would make the later choice of WS(greatsword) illegal.</p><p></p><p>You could swap WS(greatsword) for WF(glaive), but you cannot later swap WF(greatsword) for WS(glaive) unless you took WF(greatsword) at fourth level or higher.</p><p></p><p>By the rules, MarkB has the correct answer. Assuming the feats were taken as early as possible it is a three level process. </p><p></p><p><u>Step One:</u> You've gotta remove WS(greatsword) to any other feat that you are eligible and for which WF(greatsword) is not a prerequisite so that you can change WF(greatsword) at all.</p><p></p><p><u>Step Two:</u> You can then change WF(greatsword) to WF(glaive).</p><p></p><p><u>Step Three:</u> You can now change the one that was originally WS(greatsword) to WF(glaive).</p><p></p><p>Personally, for a fighter (or other class who received the specific feats in question through bonus feats of the class ability type) I think doing my stated way of class ability changes should be allowed. That makes the application pretty narrow, because all the feats in question would have to be gained through the class ability. But you are correct, MarkB. It technically probably shouldn't work that way. But in theory its no different than what happens to the ranger. But by RAW, it is a shakey solution at best! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nonlethal Force, post: 3080223, member: 35788"] By the RAW, this doesn't work. The rules clearly say that you cannot change a feat that is a prerequisite for another feat. You need to work down the chain removing the latter feats first. So ... You cannot swap WF(greatsword) for WF(glaive) because it would make the later choice of WS(greatsword) illegal. You could swap WS(greatsword) for WF(glaive), but you cannot later swap WF(greatsword) for WS(glaive) unless you took WF(greatsword) at fourth level or higher. By the rules, MarkB has the correct answer. Assuming the feats were taken as early as possible it is a three level process. [U]Step One:[/U] You've gotta remove WS(greatsword) to any other feat that you are eligible and for which WF(greatsword) is not a prerequisite so that you can change WF(greatsword) at all. [U]Step Two:[/U] You can then change WF(greatsword) to WF(glaive). [U]Step Three:[/U] You can now change the one that was originally WS(greatsword) to WF(glaive). Personally, for a fighter (or other class who received the specific feats in question through bonus feats of the class ability type) I think doing my stated way of class ability changes should be allowed. That makes the application pretty narrow, because all the feats in question would have to be gained through the class ability. But you are correct, MarkB. It technically probably shouldn't work that way. But in theory its no different than what happens to the ranger. But by RAW, it is a shakey solution at best! :) [/QUOTE]
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